[OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?

[Erik Beerten]

The problem with the missing municipalities also exists in OSMAND where 
some as Kortessem and Wellen are not listed although they are in OSM.

A solution for tagging boundaries can be checking for natural boundaries 
= rivers, in different sources first.  In Flanders those rivers as 
natural boundaries are mostly good visible on  the AGIV air imagery.
But what about a similar usable tool for Wallonie. I didn't hear more 
about how to use a similar source as AGIV for Wallonie in JOSM (?).

Regards,

Erik


Op 23-12-14 om 18:14 schreef Marc Gemis:
> As you could see from the link in my previous post, Mallien is mapped 
> as a node.
>
> Ligfietser wrote:
>
> "The OFM map looks at the administrative boundaries on OSM to assign 
> the streets to a place:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … ries#Namur 
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Boundaries#Namur>
> First it looks in level 8 (municipality of Assese) and if available, 
> it looks deeper at a section (sub municipality) admin_level=9. I dont 
> know if this is the case in Maillen.
> If there exists such a section of level 9, it must be entered in OSM. 
> If there is no section, streets could be tagged with is_in 
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in>
> If those sections are not specified, the map cannot find a street in 
> Maillen so you must either enter Assesse or try another OSM map (no 
> guarantee it work either) or a commercial map."
>
> So in order to make OFM work, we need the boundaries for Mallien as a 
> relation. We do not have them in OSM at this moment.
> Those borders are hard to get. I don't know the situation for this in 
> Wallonia. In Flanders we have a lot of admin-level 9 boundaries 
> (deelgemeenten), but even there the list is not complete. Maybe Julien 
> Fastré or André know more about this.
> In general, we have to base ourselves on out-of-date maps for the 
> borders. We are not allowed to copy them from Google or other 
> institutions that ask a lot of money for that data. Sometimes 
> governments open up a datasource with those boundaries. This is not 
> the case in Belgium.
>
> Furthermore most recent databases from the government do not care 
> about those "deelgemeenten", which makes it even harder to get access 
> to a source to use.
>
> regards
>
> m
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Alain Bourgeois 
> <alain.bourgeois at skynet.be <mailto:alain.bourgeois at skynet.be>> wrote:
>
>     I tried the Benelux map downloaded 6 months ago – same problem.
>
>     I reported the trouble on the forum
>     (http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=473300#p473300)
>     and they sent me to Belgian team.
>
>     Bien à vous,
>
>     Alain Bourgeois
>
>     +32 496 51 85 75 <tel:%2B32%20496%2051%2085%2075>
>
>     http://www.kineuro.com <http://www.kineuro.com/>
>
>     *From:*Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.gemis at gmail.com
>     <mailto:marc.gemis at gmail.com>]
>     *Sent:* mardi 23 décembre 2014 17:37
>     *To:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
>     *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?
>
>     On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Alain Bourgeois
>     <alain.bourgeois at skynet.be <mailto:alain.bourgeois at skynet.be>> wrote:
>
>         Maillen
>
>
>     The good news is that the village is in the OSM-data [1].
>
>     The bad news is that we now have to find out why it does not
>     appear in the map you have downloaded.
>
>     Did you try the the Benelux Full version [2] ? I assume it is more
>     detailed.
>
>     Otherwise you can always contact the maker of the map via
>     info at openfietsmap.nl <mailto:info at openfietsmap.nl>He can explain
>     which information from OSM is available in the different versions
>     of his map.
>
>     regards
>
>     m
>
>     [1]
>     http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701&layers=N
>
>     [2] http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full
>
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