[OSM-talk-be] POIs (OSM promotion)

[André Pirard]

On 2014-02-15 12:54, André Pirard wrote :
> On 2014-02-15 11:26, Johan C wrote :
>> On 2014-02-15 03:22, André Pirard wrote :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> FYI, in order to promote the OSM background I have shown this map
>>> <http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/OpenLayers_Vector_fast.html?>
>>> to various organization, saying that
>>>
>>>  1. their POIs can be introduced in the OSM map itself
>>>  2. if a Web site maintains a simple POI text file like this
>>>     <http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/Red_Cross/POIs.txt>, other
>>>     sites can include that POI list in their own map, mixed with
>>>     their own POIs (for example, map of blood donation centers
>>>     combined with public transport and car sharing to access the
>>>     centers)
>>>
>>> (1) raised absolutely no interest
>>> (2) interested one organization:  three weeks later, they had
>>> pirated the idea and made their own POI map based on Google Maps (a
>>> big leap off their former PDF file ;-)).
>>>
>>> While roving about for this, I came across a site Click2map
>>> <http://www.click2map.com/>.
>>> I asked them if they could support OSM and their reply was the
>>> usual, most polite
>>>
>>>> We currently only support Google Maps tiles.
>>>> We may in the future propose also OpenStreetMap tiles.
>>> But now, I wonder if those people could not be interested in using
>>> OSM not only as tiles but also as the POI database itself.  I'm
>>> letting anyone versed in POIs to ponder over this idea, and maybe
>>> design some scheme and present it to Click2map
>>> <http://www.click2map.com/> and possibly others.
>>> Having such POI providers affiliated with OSM would of course be a
>>> definite plus for OSM.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> André.
>>>
>>>
>> Hi André
>>
>> it would be interesting to know from these providers a) why they are
>> not interested in cooperating with OSM and b) what could be done to
>> change that
>>
>> Cheers, Johan
>>
> The best idea is to ask them and we would like to know the answer too.
> One possibility is that they don't know what OSM is.
> That's true for 99.9% of the persons.
> Please note in the Click2map <http://www.click2map.com/>'s answer that
> they consider OSM as tiles, not as a database and not as a database
> they can change.
> And that's why cooperating with those who can spread the idea is
> interesting.
> Another possibility is reliability and security. Their data could be
> mangled by anyone. If real vandalism hasn't occurred in OSM yet, it's
> because of the 99.9%.
>
> Cheers,
>
> André.
>
>
Hi,

I subsequently pushed the idea in a slightly different direction.
Dreaming of a free service where people could ask OSM themselves to make
them a pretty POI, I made a few for puppet or other theaters, art
centers or various sympathetic people. And I was suggesting them to put
something like this on their site 
http://papou.byethost9.com/tmp/Palogne.html, if possible both versions,
showing that OSM is often not worse than GM, even sometimes not putting
the marker at the wrong place and letting cars through a foot bridge. I
was showing a Nominatim "theater at ..." search and mentioning a GPS
trip to their premises.
Despite sympathy, the reaction is generally no reply at all to the e-mail.
Misunderstanding or total lack of interest ("yet another map")?

But now I wonder if I shouldn't even be furious.  Look at his:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148204222
http://be.geoview.info/ferme_renaville,148204222w
It's plain drawing the OSM data on Google maps !!!
(What about doing the opposite?)

AlthoughThis site based on the informations provided by
openstreetmap.org, from Min's on 2012-02-19T14:21:20Z.
is eye friendlier than this  This site based on the informations
provided by openstreetmap.org, from Min's on 2012-02-19T14:21:20Z.
if one notices it and seems to be abiding by the ©, even in a friendly
manner with the author's name,
I am upset that this is done on a *Google* map, leading to commercial
activity that, if you think of the 15% or so of the price of your goods
you pay for advertising, buying OSM GPSes and the like, make you pay
what you're giving for free.  Much like my POI map experiment and the
guy putting it on GM.

Is the OSM license really careful enough?

Cheers,

André.






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