[OSM-talk-be] virer Re: Osmose QA - problem detection with tags name, name:nl and name:fr

[Sander Deryckere]

I'm a newbie, and I want to make a change in Brussels (say a new street was
created). I look at the other names, and see they have a name:nl, name:fr
and name tag, the name tag contains both names separated by a dash. So I
add my street using that principle.

Do you really think newbies would look if it's a hyphen, en dash or em
dash?

So I think, if we choose a default, we should stick to the keys on the
local keyboard (Belgian AZERTY), and preferably on the more international
keyboard layouts (like USA International - that's the default USA QWERTY
with a big number of alternative keys added to support multiple languages).

The other option is we don't choose a default, and accept multiple ones,
like spaced hyphens, spaced en dashes, spaced or non-spaced em dashes, ...
But I agree that it would be nice to have a guideline at least. And in that
case, my vote goes to the spaced hyphen  as in "name - name".

But this is in fact for the Brussels community to decide. I don't go to
Brussels a lot, so I can't do many valuable contributions there.

Regards,
Sander

2015-03-02 15:09 GMT+01:00 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>:

> In the name itself, there are no spaces around the -. So the separator
> between to languages is really " - " including the spaces.
>
> We do have a problem for a very few streets which have 2 names because
> they are on the border between two municipalities and which we want to give
> 2 names to be "linguistically correct", but there aren't very many of those.
>
> Using an em-dash is fine with me, as long as it can be done as a
> mechanical edit, as I can't type them indeed and I'm not going to
> copy/paste them one by one.
>
> Jo
>
> 2015-03-02 14:55 GMT+01:00 André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>:
>
>>  On 2015-03-01 17:13, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote :
>>
>> English bellow.
>>
>> Walloon cock-a-doodle-do ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> J'ai ajouté une analyse spécifique aux zones multilingues dans Osmose.
>> Elle n'est pour l'instant active que sur le Maroc et pour la région de
>> Bruxelles.
>>
>> Pour Bruxelles l'analyse s'attend à retrouver les tags name, name:fr et
>> name:nl avec "[name]" = "[name:fr] - [name:nl]" ou "[name]" = "[name:fr] -
>> [name:nl]". Elle détecte des manques et des incohérences et propose des
>> corrections.
>>
>> Si vous relevé des problèmes produit par cette analyses n'hésitez pas à
>> me les remonter.
>>
>>  Sur la carte :
>>
>> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=12&lat=35.7667&lon=-5.8256&item=5060&level=1%2C2%2C3
>>
>> Et la liste des erreurs :
>>
>> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?country=belgium_brussels_capital_region&item=5060
>>
>> ------------------
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I added a specific analysis on multilingual areas on Osmose QA. It is
>> currently only active on Morocco and for the Brussels region.
>>
>> Brussels analysis attempts to retrieve the tags name, name:fr and name:nl
>> with "[name]" = "[name:fr] - [name:nl]" or "[name]" = "[name:fr] -
>> [name:nl]". It detects missing and inconsistencies and show possible
>> corrections.
>>
>> If you see any problems with this analyzes do not hesitate to let me
>> know.
>>
>> On the map:
>>
>> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=12&lat=35.7667&lon=-5.8256&item=5060&level=1%2C2%2C3
>>
>> And the errors list:
>>
>> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?country=belgium_brussels_capital_region&item=5060
>>
>>
>> Frédéric.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There is an issue with names containing dashes being separated with
>> dashes  (Saint-Josse-ten-Noode - Sint-Joost-ten-Node).  That is as
>> syntactically incorrect as separating with "," or ";" strings containing
>> those characters. Verdy_p solved that issue elegantly by using em dash
>> instead (Saint-Josse-ten-Noode — Sint-Joost-ten-Node).
>> I don't understand why some people developed hatred for the em dash,
>> maybe because Windows' keyboard is short of easily typing even one's own
>> language characters (like œ, my Ubuntu makes them <compose>oe and
>> <compose>---), maybe because it's mixed with other considerations, but the
>> fact is that Frederik Ramm from the DWG is vandalizing Verdy_p's work
>> all over the world (no less) by reverting his updates regardless of what
>> they're doing, maybe introducing an em dash together with making
>> corrections.  Yes, dames en heren, the DWG is introducing mistakes in OSM
>> (no less).
>> I respect people hating em dash, but they should open a vote for another
>> character then.
>> I already discussed this issue on this list, mais ... les paroles
>> s'envolent.
>> Or maybe OSM is fuzzy, and no that does no make me feel good.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>   André.
>>
>>
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