[OSM-talk-be] Talk-be Digest, Vol 89, Issue 7

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>    1. Multi-layer problems (Ruben Maes)
>    2. Re: Multi-layer problems (Marc Gemis)
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> Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 19:32:11 +0200
> From: Ruben Maes <ruben at janmaes.com>
> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [OSM-talk-be] Multi-layer problems
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> Hello everyone
> 
> I surveyed near the new Virginie Loveling building near the train
> station in Ghent and mapped everything accordingly a few months ago.
> 
> There are three levels of public road and the result on the map looks
> extremely ugly and unreadable:
>    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.03685/3.70898
> 3D maps can't handle it either (e.g. F4:
> http://demo.f4map.com/#lat=51.0367277&lon=3.7088474&zoom=19&camera.theta=71.119&camera.phi=94.252)
> 
> The fact that highway=pedestrian is now *always* rendered on top of
> buildings (no matter what the layer=* values are) makes things worse.
> 
> If you haven't been there, I guess you have no idea how this place
> looks in real life from looking at the map. I can't think of any
> application that would be able to do something useful with it.
> Routing works a bit but if you cannot read the map or get useful
> spoken instructions that's not really helpful.
> 
> This has left me wondering ... Should we either cut in the provided
> data or wait for renderers and applications to be able to handle these
> kind of situations? A possible improvement could be something like
> Google Maps does: it shows a layer chooser when you come near a
> multi-layer place, both indoor and outdoor IIRC. This seems
> complicated to implement in the current setup and I don't expect any
> OSM map at all to be handling these situations gracefully soon.
> 
> There are also problems near the Bruges train station, though it looks
> a bit less ugly at first sight.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.19707/3.21997
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Groeten
> Ruben
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 05:23:40 +0200
> From: Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>
> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Multi-layer problems
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> I would never "cut in the data". I would just file a bug report with the
> renderer. OTOH I haven't looked at the raw data, and maybe with some slight
> retagging (without tagging for the renderer), it can be solved. Perhaps a
>  tunnel=building_passage on the highway=pedestrian
> 
> just my .5 cents
> 
> regards
> 
> m
> 
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Ruben Maes <ruben at janmaes.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello everyone
> >
> > I surveyed near the new Virginie Loveling building near the train
> > station in Ghent and mapped everything accordingly a few months ago.
> >
> > There are three levels of public road and the result on the map looks
> > extremely ugly and unreadable:
> >    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.03685/3.70898
> > 3D maps can't handle it either (e.g. F4:
> >
> > http://demo.f4map.com/#lat=51.0367277&lon=3.7088474&zoom=19&camera.theta=71.119&camera.phi=94.252
> > )
> >
> > The fact that highway=pedestrian is now *always* rendered on top of
> > buildings (no matter what the layer=* values are) makes things worse.
> >
> > If you haven't been there, I guess you have no idea how this place
> > looks in real life from looking at the map. I can't think of any
> > application that would be able to do something useful with it.
> > Routing works a bit but if you cannot read the map or get useful
> > spoken instructions that's not really helpful.
> >
> > This has left me wondering ... Should we either cut in the provided
> > data or wait for renderers and applications to be able to handle these
> > kind of situations? A possible improvement could be something like
> > Google Maps does: it shows a layer chooser when you come near a
> > multi-layer place, both indoor and outdoor IIRC. This seems
> > complicated to implement in the current setup and I don't expect any
> > OSM map at all to be handling these situations gracefully soon.
> >
> > There are also problems near the Bruges train station, though it looks
> > a bit less ugly at first sight.
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.19707/3.21997
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Groeten
> > Ruben
> >
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