[OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[joost schouppe]

I agree with Ruben and Karel. OSM is a place for facts, not opinions.

Wikidata linking would be great, though.
Op 14-nov.-2015 18:29 schreef "Ruben Maes" <ruben at janmaes.com>:

> 14/11/2015 18:07:06, André Pirard:
> > On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like
> everyone else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of
> messages. I would rather have your changeset reverted.
> > My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I
> > feared this reply.
> > > Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers.
> > That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion
> > about it.
> > At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.
> > I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority of
> > yeses, I will revert.
> > So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.
>
> Of course my thoughts are with the victims, but adding it to the map is
> not the way, just because it is not something that belongs in a GIS.
> Besides, all that attention is exactly what those filthy terrorists want!
>
> > By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a
> > decision is made by Monday.
> >
> > And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us what
> > you think about the Wikipedia link.  That is, a link that is not the
> > website of the element but to information related to it.
>
> We don't add tags to the Bristish Parliament for the Gunpowder Treason
> page, or to some random grass field for the Waterloo Battle, or such
> things. If a monument is erected for these attacks, you can map the
> monument and add the monument's Wikipedia page and Wikidata item to the
> monument's OSM object. The Wikidata item should link to both the item for
> the events and all involved locations.
>
> Wikipedia and Wikidata tags should point to the item about the object
> itself, and nothing else.
>
> > > There may even be terrorists here for all we know.
> > >
> > > If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel
> ashamed and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own
> cause, which too many people are already doing.
> > I don't feel like that at all.  There is no boasting.
> > Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much
> boasting?
>
> Humanitarian tagging is actually helping the victims. We can tell the
> world that we are doing this because some people will say, "Hey, I can
> actually help this way instead of changing my profile picture", and that
> will make the next crisis response even better.
>
> > Cheers
> >
> > André.
> >
> >
> > > Regards
> > > Ruben
> > >
> > >
> > > Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> > >> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
> > >> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
> > >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all
> > >> languages !!!
> > >> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this
> (but
> > >> how?):
> > >> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> > >> <
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France
> >
> > >>
> > >> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> > >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> > >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> > >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155>
> > >> It adds the following note <
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note>
> > >> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> > >> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> > >>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> > >>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> > >>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> > >> In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256
> characters.
> > >> Translates to:
> > >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> > >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> > >> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around
> the
> > >> world.
> > >>
> > >> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> > >> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> > >> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
> > >>
> > >> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> > >> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and
> to
> > >> join the world's cry .
> > >> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >>
> > >> André.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
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