[OSM-talk-be] Talk-be Digest, Vol 95, Issue 28
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> 1. Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris
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> 2. Re: Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris (Ruben Maes)
> 3. Re: Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris
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> 4. Re: Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris
> (Karel Adams)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:14:57 +0100
> From: "=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFBpcmFyZA==?=" <a.pirard.papou at gmail.com>
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> <tagging at openstreetmap.org>, OpenStreetMap Belgium
> <talk-be at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in
> Paris
> Message-ID: <56475E01.6030609 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi,
>
> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little...
> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all
> languages !!!
> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
> how?):
> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France>
>
> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155>
> It adds the following note <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note>
> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> > Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> > terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> > tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters.
> Translates to:
> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
> world.
>
> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
>
> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
> join the world's cry .
> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
>
> Cheers
>
> André.
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:24:32 +0100
> From: Ruben Maes <ruben at janmaes.com>
> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in
> Paris
> Message-ID: <1494762.PGpAJdsEip at ood>
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>
> Hi
>
> I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I would rather have your changeset reverted.
>
> Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. There may even be terrorists here for all we know.
>
> If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which too many people are already doing.
>
> Regards
> Ruben
>
>
> Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
> > Hi,
> >
> > OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> > In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little...
> > Wikipedia have been extremely fast
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all
> > languages !!!
> > After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
> > how?):
> > Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> > <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France>
> >
> > I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> > Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> > happened here on 2015-11-13.
> > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155>
> > It adds the following note <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note>
> > to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> > (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> > > Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> > > terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> > > tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> > In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters.
> > Translates to:
> > Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> > happened here on 2015-11-13.
> > Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
> > world.
> >
> > Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> > Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> > I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
> >
> > By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> > It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
> > join the world's cry .
> > But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > André.
> >
> >
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:07:06 +0100
> From: "=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFBpcmFyZA==?=" <a.pirard.papou at gmail.com>
> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in
> Paris
> Message-ID: <56476A3A.4060704 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I would rather have your changeset reverted.
> My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I
> feared this reply.
> > Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers.
> That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion
> about it.
> At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.
> I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority of
> yeses, I will revert.
> So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.
>
> By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a
> decision is made by Monday.
>
> And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us what
> you think about the Wikipedia link. That is, a link that is not the
> website of the element but to information related to it.
> > There may even be terrorists here for all we know.
> >
> > If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which too many people are already doing.
> I don't feel like that at all. There is no boasting.
> Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much boasting?
>
> Cheers
>
> André.
>
>
> > Regards
> > Ruben
> >
> >
> > Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> >> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little...
> >> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all
> >> languages !!!
> >> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
> >> how?):
> >> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> >> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France>
> >>
> >> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155>
> >> It adds the following note <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note>
> >> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> >> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> >>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> >>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> >>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> >> In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters.
> >> Translates to:
> >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> >> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
> >> world.
> >>
> >> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> >> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> >> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
> >>
> >> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> >> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
> >> join the world's cry .
> >> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> André.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:16:21 +0000
> From: Karel Adams <fa348739 at skynet.be>
> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in
> Paris
> Message-ID: <56476C65.3010800 at skynet.be>
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> Ruben heeft gelijk. Politiek is politiek. Dat is niet de bekommernis van
> onze gemeenschappelijke zaak ("cause commune").
>
> Et à vous André: il ne faut pas mettre en question, voire même valider,
> l'opinion générale avant de l'avoir sollicitée.
>
> Karel
>
> On 14-11-15 17:07, André Pirard wrote:
> > On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I would rather have your changeset reverted.
> > My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I
> > feared this reply.
> >> Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers.
> > That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion
> > about it.
> > At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.
> > I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority
> > of yeses, I will revert.
> > So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.
> >
> > By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a
> > decision is made by Monday.
> >
> > And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us
> > what you think about the Wikipedia link. That is, a link that is not
> > the website of the element but to information related to it.
> >> There may even be terrorists here for all we know.
> >>
> >> If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which too many people are already doing.
> > I don't feel like that at all. There is no boasting.
> > Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much
> > boasting?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > André.
> >
> >
> >> Regards
> >> Ruben
> >>
> >>
> >> Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> >>> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag. Little...
> >>> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all
> >>> languages !!!
> >>> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
> >>> how?):
> >>> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> >>> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France>
> >>>
> >>> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> >>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> >>> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> >>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155>
> >>> It adds the following note<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note>
> >>> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> >>> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> >>>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> >>>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> >>>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> >>> In their language. Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters.
> >>> Translates to:
> >>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> >>> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> >>> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
> >>> world.
> >>>
> >>> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> >>> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> >>> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
> >>>
> >>> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> >>> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
> >>> join the world's cry .
> >>> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> André.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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