[OSM-talk-be] Missing Maps, in Belgium

Wed Nov 9 08:28:20 UTC 2016

Oops, I’ll try to fix that this weekend !

@Glenn : I already use Let’s Encrypt certificate for the Task Manager ;-)

Sorry for the inconvenience !

Jonathan Beliën

De : Ben Abelshausen [mailto:ben.abelshausen at gmail.com] 
Envoyé : mardi 8 novembre 2016 16:49
À : OpenStreetMap Belgium
Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-be] Missing Maps, in Belgium

I did some tests and remote control doesn't work in JOSM, probably because we use HTTPS. I tried with tasks.hotosm.org but no HTTPS there.

There is an HTTPS option in JOSM but that also doesn't work. Can we update our taskingmanager to trigger JOSM's remote control using HTTPS?

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Glenn Plas <glenn at byte-consult.be> wrote:

I do agree, for more widespread things like missing streets, it's
probably quite useful.  En per 'theme' like shops, it's excellent.  I
didn't know you could not-use the squares, but like I said, my R&D was
on task manager 1, and I understand it's at major version 2 now.

But for GRB (and that is the kicker of my solution)  You don't need a
task manager as the diff's between GRB to-be-imported data and the
existing data is solved in the browser itself.  So that's a seamless
situation.  You can do it per building(s) (when I'm done adding that
small functionality). It's now using the view bounding box to limit the
data.

Since JOSM is the catalyst in this solution, we benefit from all things
JOSM brings (validation/mapcss etc.) to the table.

The missing roads is probably on the top of the list of (want)todo's.

@marc : I've seen some of 'his/her' work too and there are indeed some
small issues from time to time.  But this person is willing to change
his habits too, I've had some comments in the past (slow roads/trage
wegen) and he made hist tagging more consistent so (s)he's open for
suggestions.

Glenn

On 08-11-16 12:59, joost schouppe wrote:
> Honestly I wasn't thinking about organizing your work with this tasking
> manager :)
> If you enjoy your heavy surveying or your efficient imports, I
> absolutely agree there is no extra value in a tasking manager.
> I'm more interested in tools that help finding new mappers, help them on
> their first steps and hopefully turn a few of them into mappers as crazy
> as you guys.
>
> Here's how I'm using it myself in the example task:
> - map those roads that are present in Wegenregister and clearly missing
> in OSM
> - make fixme notes for cases where it isn't quite clear
> - When this is done, I mark the task as "ready". Then I load the data to
> my Osmand, and go for a walk where I check some fixme's in the field
> (there's a layer for that in Osmand).
> - When the findings are incorporated into the data, I can finally
> "validate" the tile.
>
> This is useful to me because it allows me to keep focused on the task at
> hand (I've been known to wander), make sure I cover the entire territory
> and go out surveying efficiently (I don't really go out surveying, I
> walk the dog in areas where I haven't been yet). And Wegspotter mapped a
> few squares yesterday, so now I can skip straight to the dog-walking
> part in that area.
>
> In other tasks, this flow could be entirely different. For the "shops
> with mapillary in Brussels" example, you could easily have a flow where
> beginners do the labour of translating mapillary images into shops. The
> validation would then be to check the tagging and mark spots where the
> imagery wasn't complete enough. A last surveying phase would be to grab
> a mobile editor and add those last shops. But that would then be
> possible on a quick walk - you wouldn't have to be using the clumsy
> mobile editor or walking paper all the time. A lot of people are turned
> off by surveying because you're collecting so much data that the mapping
> afterwards takes way too long. In this little idea, you could map in the
> field without freezing to death.
>
> On a technical note: you don't have to use squares. You can also upload
> a custom task division. For city mapping, neighborhoods would be
> perfect. For Missing Maps Wallonia, it could be "residential areas
> without buildings". For a GRB import, it could be tiny tiny squares, or
> a custom division of Flanders into areas with similar numbers of buildings.
>
>
>
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