[OSM-talk-be] Authorization request for use of SPW data (PICC, orthophotos and others) and OSM representative

[André Pirard]

On 2017-05-30 18:43, Thomas Bertels wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After different emails to
> * helpdesk.carto AT spw.wallonie.be (no official answer)
> * carlo.diantonio AT gov.wallonie.be
> * rene.collin AT gov.wallonie.be
> * jeanclaude.jasselette AT spw.wallonie.be
What is the need to contact all those people after a SPW lawyer made the
situation clear?
> I've finally received an email from Vincent Bombaerts
> <https://twitter.com/vbombaerts> (vincent.bombaerts AT
> spw.wallonie.be), Attaché to the SECRÉTARIAT GÉNÉRAL of the DIRECTION
> DE L'INTEGRATION DES GEODONNEES.
>
> Following that, I've been on the phone with him and he told me that,
> like many already know, we can use the data from the SPW for OSM.
Not at all.
For anyone having understood the terms of the SPW that are clarified in
my "YES we can trace the PICC" message, we are not allowed to use (copy)
the (vector) data of the PICC but we are allowed to trace the images of
the WMS et al. services.
> I had been requesting authorization for PICC and orthophotos, but he
> told me that there are other potentially useful data like MNT
> <http://geoportail.wallonie.be/catalogue/f3cdf392-a569-423e-889e-186c5e647cd3.html>
> (relief) and others.
>
> However, since I'd been asking for an explicit authorization (needed
> for integration into the iD editor), he told me that the authorization
> contract templates they've got require an organization. Probably
> because the data is free of the associations without lucrative purpose.
First, I strongly discourage using ID and Potlatch. This is what has led
to highly imprecise Wallonia tagging as well as introducing tagging
errors over the years.  All that work has to be redone with correction.
Please use the PICC with JOSM to achieve a 25 cm precision excellent
tagging.

Second, I'm not sure how ID could use the vector data that we could get
a license to copy.

Let us recall that the "copying" of PICC's data is subject to 1) a
possibly payed license 2) signed between SPW and the user 3) for only a
well defined, agreed part of Wallonia 4) over a limited period 5) for an
agreed restricted use.
Look at this file
<http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/documents/ConditionsSPW/DataSPW-CGU.pdf>.
This is certainly not for all OSM contributors to put that data in OSM !!!
> He suggested Open Knowledge Belgium
> <https://www.openknowledge.be/about-us/>, which is the parent of
> OpenStreetMap Belgium <http://www.osm.be>.
> I told him that what matters is that all OSM contributors are allowed
> to use SPW data for OSM.
I think that, after the very complete clarification I posted, this is
confusion again between copying the data and tracing the services.  What
is amazing this time is that SPW personal themselves are making the
confusion, at least as you say it.

Cheers,

André.


> He would like to have someone to talk to on behalf of the Belgian (or
> at least Walloon) OSM community, to discuss further about the terms
> and potential future cooperation with OSM.
> That person would be a link with the OSM community and would represent
> it when talking with him.
> Like the SPW, Vincent Bombaerts is based in Namur, but can and does go
> to mapping and related initiatives like State Of The Map 2016
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016> (in
> Brussels) and FOSDEM. So the meeting(s) don't need to take place in Namur.
>
> Is anyone interested to be that person?
>
> Hopefully, those licensing issues should be soon a thing of the past.
>
> Thomas Bertels

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