[OSM-talk-be] int_ref, ref spelling, no space between letter and number....

[Marc Gemis]

When you search for "blank" on Wikipedia, you will find some
disambiguation pages (a.o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_space),
and finally end up on :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_(punctuation)
So space is correct.

m.

p.s. Do we need to ask people not to write in Dutch whenever they
violate the dt-rule ? :-)
p.p.s Do you read the Dutch forum ? I sometimes have to read certain
posts 3 or 4 times to understand the "Dutch" that is used there. So I
do not bother the occasional typo in English.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 3:49 PM Karel Adams <fa348739 at skynet.be> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jo, you are looking on from a little distance, that is always helpful to get consensus...
>
> I agree with your "the key to create such a blank is commonly known as the space bar" - which only confirms how subtle the English language really is. And that is precisely what makes me contest the "rule" cited by @Ruben (he/she is right in the citation, but I defy the rule) "on this list the accepted standard is to use English" - I never liked that rule, mostly for this reason. There's all too many people who post (to some degree) gibberish, in the firm belief they have good English.
>
> And to come back to @Ruben's reply "no-one would have failed to understand what we meant": try taking this conversation though some www translation tool to an exotic language, say Japanese or Swahili or Latin or Basque, than back to English. Without having checked, I dare to bet that somewhere in the process the "space" was converted to something astronautical. So yes, I am sure many people might get confused. Or in other words, what's the added value of posting in a language that is NOT native to this Belgian country? Except of course to oblige those few who prefer learning foreign languages over learning their own.
>
> Karel (admittedly touchy on matters of language and local culture)
>
>
> On 11/08/18 13:31, Jo wrote:
>
> Karel, you are probably right, but the key to create such a blank is commonly known as the space bar.
>
> I would also remove the 'empty character' (Leerzeichen) here in Belgium.
>
> In France it's consistently with a space, I guess they find it like that on their signage.
>
> Jo
>
> Op za 11 aug. 2018 om 15:11 schreef Karel Adams <fa348739 at skynet.be>:
>>
>> Excuse me for being pecky on language - for this once I feel free
>> because language is (more or less) the subject matter anyway.
>>
>> Where @jakka writes "space", and @ruben neatly follows suit, I think the
>> actual meaning is "blank".
>>
>> nl "spatie" => en "blank"
>>
>> en "space" => nl "ruimte"
>>
>> Not wanting to "score" any personal hits, just for the common good:
>> allow me to recommend that English should only be used by those who
>> master that subtle language really well. There is no reason for not
>> posting in one's native language, on a list of regional importance such
>> as this.
>>
>> Groeten :)
>>
>> Karel
>>
>>
>> On 11/08/18 12:38, Ruben wrote:
>> > Hi Frank,
>> >
>> > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 21:06:54 +0200, Jakka <vdmfrankvdm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Where can I see and read what is the correct spelling of the E and other road network like A? Is there a space between the letter and number?
>> >> The wiki pages https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Europe/E-road_network and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_E-road_network are not clear about that...
>> >> See the mapillary https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/vEtPrDgYQ9nVD2kfehABQg example: there are no spaces so should we adapt all those tags?
>> > I believe our local refs are without space (so "A17", "R0", "N540"). Our signposting for international refs doesn't use a space either (E40), or sometimes a 'thin space' (E 40). I've never seen a full space (E 40).
>> > On their site[1], the Flemish Agency for Roads and Traffic (AWV) consistently uses no space for both local and E refs. So I'd be inclined to say it's without space.
>> >
>> >> I see that most of int_ref is with space and ref and nat_ref without? But not always...
>> > A few years ago, a French mapper came along and mechanically edited int_refs in Belgium. I asked them to stop but their changes were never fully reverted, so there are still int_refs with a space in Belgium.
>> > I think it would be safe to remove the spaces mechanically, as it would actually be reverting an earlier unauthorized mechanical edit. What do you think?
>> >
>> > [1] https://wegenenverkeer.be/
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Ruben
>> >
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