[OSM-talk-be] int_ref, ref spelling, no space between letter and number....

[Karel Adams]

Thanks, Jo, you are looking on from a little distance, that is always 
helpful to get consensus...

I agree with your "the key to create such a blank is commonly known as 
the space bar" - which only confirms how subtle the English language 
really is. And that is precisely what makes me contest the "rule" cited 
by @Ruben (he/she is right in the citation, but I defy the rule) "on 
this list the accepted standard is to use English" - I never liked that 
rule, mostly for this reason. There's all too many people who post (to 
some degree) gibberish, in the firm belief they have good English.

And to come back to @Ruben's reply "no-one would have failed to 
understand what we meant": try taking this conversation though some www 
translation tool to an exotic language, say Japanese or Swahili or Latin 
or Basque, than back to English. Without having checked, I dare to bet 
that somewhere in the process the "space" was converted to something 
astronautical. So yes, I am sure many people might get confused. Or in 
other words, what's the added value of posting in a language that is NOT 
native to this Belgian country? Except of course to oblige those few who 
prefer learning foreign languages over learning their own.

Karel (admittedly touchy on matters of language and local culture)


On 11/08/18 13:31, Jo wrote:

> Karel, you are probably right, but the key to create such a blank is 
> commonly known as the space bar.
>
> I would also remove the 'empty character' (Leerzeichen) here in Belgium.
>
> In France it's consistently with a space, I guess they find it like 
> that on their signage.
>
> Jo
>
> Op za 11 aug. 2018 om 15:11 schreef Karel Adams <fa348739 at skynet.be 
> <mailto:fa348739 at skynet.be>>:
>
>     Excuse me for being pecky on language - for this once I feel free
>     because language is (more or less) the subject matter anyway.
>
>     Where @jakka writes "space", and @ruben neatly follows suit, I
>     think the
>     actual meaning is "blank".
>
>     nl "spatie" => en "blank"
>
>     en "space" => nl "ruimte"
>
>     Not wanting to "score" any personal hits, just for the common good:
>     allow me to recommend that English should only be used by those who
>     master that subtle language really well. There is no reason for not
>     posting in one's native language, on a list of regional importance
>     such
>     as this.
>
>     Groeten :)
>
>     Karel
>
>
>     On 11/08/18 12:38, Ruben wrote:
>     > Hi Frank,
>     >
>     > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 21:06:54 +0200, Jakka <vdmfrankvdm at gmail.com
>     <mailto:vdmfrankvdm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >> Where can I see and read what is the correct spelling of the E
>     and other road network like A? Is there a space between the letter
>     and number?
>     >> The wiki pages
>     https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Europe/E-road_network
>     and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_E-road_network are
>     not clear about that...
>     >> See the mapillary
>     https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/vEtPrDgYQ9nVD2kfehABQg example:
>     there are no spaces so should we adapt all those tags?
>     > I believe our local refs are without space (so "A17", "R0",
>     "N540"). Our signposting for international refs doesn't use a
>     space either (E40), or sometimes a 'thin space' (E 40). I've never
>     seen a full space (E 40).
>     > On their site[1], the Flemish Agency for Roads and Traffic (AWV)
>     consistently uses no space for both local and E refs. So I'd be
>     inclined to say it's without space.
>     >
>     >> I see that most of int_ref is with space and ref and nat_ref
>     without? But not always...
>     > A few years ago, a French mapper came along and mechanically
>     edited int_refs in Belgium. I asked them to stop but their changes
>     were never fully reverted, so there are still int_refs with a
>     space in Belgium.
>     > I think it would be safe to remove the spaces mechanically, as
>     it would actually be reverting an earlier unauthorized mechanical
>     edit. What do you think?
>     >
>     > [1] https://wegenenverkeer.be/
>     >
>     > Cheers,
>     > Ruben
>     >
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