[OSM-talk-be] [Tagging] Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle

[Marc Gemis]

I think https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Highways
gives the solution, there needs to be an F9 sign. If not, it is a
primary.

regards

m

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:24 AM, OSMDoudou
<19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238eee at gmx.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Can you help with the B) part of the discussion ?
>
> What highway value is suitable for R50 ?
>
> Now that I discovered the local implicit characteristics thanks to the
> answer to question A), trunk is probably right, but I wanted to ask your
> views nonetheless.
>
> Thx.
> ________________________________
> From: Volker Schmidt
> Sent: ‎18-‎01-‎18 09:39
> To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle
>
> I suppose Osmose uses the country specific tables in [1]
> The table for Belgium states that bicycle=no is implicit for
> "highway=trunk".
> Hence the short way in question would need to have the additional tag
> "bicycle=yes" for bicycle routing to pass along that cycle lane.
> The road signs out there seem to be consistent, there are "no-bicycle" sign
> along the ring road, except for this short piece.
>
> Your second point regarding the road classification trunk is a different
> issue, that needs to be discussed with the Belgian community.
>
> [1]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions
>
> On 17 January 2018 at 22:45, OSMDoudou
> <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238eee at gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a two-fold question in fact.
>>
>>
>>
>> (A)
>>
>>
>>
>> Osmose raises error "Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle" [1] on a
>> segment of the R50 highway [2] [3].
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm guessing it's because the segment is part of relation for a bike route
>> but it's tagged as trunk (as the rest of R50), and a trunk would imply a
>> restriction for bicycles.
>>
>>
>>
>> Although, I see such an implication for motorways [4], I don't see it for
>> trunks [5].
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you know what causes the access mismatch, because I don't see it from
>> the tags ?
>>
>>
>>
>> (B)
>>
>>
>>
>> This issue raises the question whether R50 should be tagged as trunk in
>> the first place.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Wiki page [6] refers to notions like "high performance" and road signs
>> F9. But the road is limited to 70 km/h and there are no F9 signs on the
>> entries and exits of R50, only C19 "No entry for pedestrians" and C11 + C9
>> "No entry for bicycles" + "No entry for mopeds (and mofas)", which tend to
>> confirm it's not a trunk.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if primary wouldn't be more accurate classification, although the
>> Wiki refers to a "highway linking large towns" [7], which is not the case
>> here as the highway is a ring around the city not a road between cities.
>>
>>
>>
>> What type of road would you qualify the entire R50 ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thx.
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/15216104253
>>
>> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/251684307
>>
>> [3] https://goo.gl/maps/khpwvm8kxQw
>>
>> [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway
>>
>> [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trunk
>>
>> [6] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium
>>
>> [7] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dprimary
>>
>>
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