[OSM-talk-be] [Tagging] Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle

[OSMDoudou]

Thanks for the link. I hadn't discovered this page yet.

On the other hand, the same page reads "Rx should also be tagged as motorways".

R0 Brussels, R1 Antwerp and R4 Ghent are tagged like that.

But R24 Nivelles, R20 Brussels, R9 Charleroi are tagged as trunks.

And R52 Tournai, R36 Kortrijk and R30 Brugge as primary.

And parts of R23 Leuven are tagged as primary and some other even as secondary.

So, it seems nuance, interpretations and findings from the ground lead to different tagging of R roads.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.gemis at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 07:16
To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] [Tagging] Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle

I think https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Highways
gives the solution, there needs to be an F9 sign. If not, it is a primary.

regards

m

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:24 AM, OSMDoudou <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238eee at gmx.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Can you help with the B) part of the discussion ?
>
> What highway value is suitable for R50 ?
>
> Now that I discovered the local implicit characteristics thanks to the 
> answer to question A), trunk is probably right, but I wanted to ask 
> your views nonetheless.
>
> Thx.
> ________________________________
> From: Volker Schmidt
> Sent: ‎18-‎01-‎18 09:39
> To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle
>
> I suppose Osmose uses the country specific tables in [1] The table for 
> Belgium states that bicycle=no is implicit for "highway=trunk".
> Hence the short way in question would need to have the additional tag 
> "bicycle=yes" for bicycle routing to pass along that cycle lane.
> The road signs out there seem to be consistent, there are "no-bicycle" 
> sign along the ring road, except for this short piece.
>
> Your second point regarding the road classification trunk is a 
> different issue, that needs to be discussed with the Belgian community.
>
> [1]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restri
> ctions
>
> On 17 January 2018 at 22:45, OSMDoudou 
> <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238eee at gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a two-fold question in fact.
>>
>>
>>
>> (A)
>>
>>
>>
>> Osmose raises error "Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle" [1] 
>> on a segment of the R50 highway [2] [3].
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm guessing it's because the segment is part of relation for a bike 
>> route but it's tagged as trunk (as the rest of R50), and a trunk 
>> would imply a restriction for bicycles.
>>
>>
>>
>> Although, I see such an implication for motorways [4], I don't see it 
>> for trunks [5].
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you know what causes the access mismatch, because I don't see it 
>> from the tags ?
>>
>>
>>
>> (B)
>>
>>
>>
>> This issue raises the question whether R50 should be tagged as trunk 
>> in the first place.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Wiki page [6] refers to notions like "high performance" and road 
>> signs F9. But the road is limited to 70 km/h and there are no F9 
>> signs on the entries and exits of R50, only C19 "No entry for 
>> pedestrians" and C11 + C9 "No entry for bicycles" + "No entry for 
>> mopeds (and mofas)", which tend to confirm it's not a trunk.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if primary wouldn't be more accurate classification, 
>> although the Wiki refers to a "highway linking large towns" [7], 
>> which is not the case here as the highway is a ring around the city not a road between cities.
>>
>>
>>
>> What type of road would you qualify the entire R50 ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thx.
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/15216104253
>>
>> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/251684307
>>
>> [3] https://goo.gl/maps/khpwvm8kxQw
>>
>> [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway
>>
>> [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trunk
>>
>> [6] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium
>>
>> [7] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dprimary
>>
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