[OSM-talk-be] Mappen van paalcampings
Pieter Vander Vennet
pietervdvn at posteo.net
Fri Jan 10 13:32:19 UTC 2020
Cool... I've browsed the bivakzone.be-website, a few camp sites require
to send an sms to the owner one day in advance or the day itself - hence
the option for reservation.
On 10.01.20 14:16, Jo wrote:
> Looks good. Usually there is a first come, first served rule. There is
> no way to reserve a spot from 'remote'. When you arrive, you write
> your name in a register.
>
> If the person responsible for the site passes by later that night and
> finds 5 tents and 4 registrations, the tent that wasn't registered and
> the last tent that was registered will have to leave and find another
> spot to camp. (officially, at least, it may depend on the discretion
> of the warden)
>
> Or alternatively, the warden may find that the first one that arrived
> are already there for more than the allowed number of nights.
>
> I think in practice the ones that are too many would simply be asked
> to leave the next morning. Possibly also depending on their mode of
> transport and how far away from home they are. In the case of the ones
> in Meerdaalwoud, you might be told to go to De Kluis and camp there
> for a small fee.
>
> Jo
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 1:52 PM Pieter Vander Vennet
> <pietervdvn at posteo.net <mailto:pietervdvn at posteo.net>> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> This is a very funny coincidence... Hack Your Future will do a
> project on paalcampings as well!
> I will send out a general mail with more information about that
> project later today. We are in touch with bivakzones.be
> <http://bivakzones.be> and will be discussing how they can be
> added to OSM, with what tags and if we can use their site as a
> source. More details about that will be following later on.
>
> However, to prepare that project, I would like to have a better
> tagging scheme for this as well (in order to be able to get them
> all at once using overpass).
>
> After consulting the wiki, I do think that having the tags
> *'toursim=camp_site', 'camp_site=basic' and 'backcountry=yes'*
> would be the correct tagging. The first indicates "an area without
> facilities where it is legal to camp with tents". The second one
> is even closer to the the concept of these bivouacs. At last, an
> additional 'motor_vehicles=no' makes it very explicit that cars
> and jeeps are not welcome - even though the 'backcountry=yes'
> already implies this.
>
> IMHO is the key 'impromtu=yes' antithetical to the concept of a
> 'paalkamping' - they indicate an /informal/ place where people
> could rest, e.g. when travelling through the country /with their
> jeep... /This implies both motorized vehicles and 'camping in the
> wild', which is AFAIK illegal in Belgium.
>
> And of course, there is a lot of additional tagging possible as well.
>
> I've written a wiki page with an explanation, links and a proposal
> for tagging. Please read them carefully. If you have extra
> information and tagging that is still missing, feel free to add
> this directly to the wiki page:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Bivakzones
>
>
>
>
>
> On 29.12.19 17:47, Guy Vanvuchelen wrote:
>>
>> De bivakzone Het Vinne in Zoutleeuw heb ik aangepast volgens de
>> info van Jo
>>
>>
>>
>> Guy Vanvuchelen
>>
>>
>>
>> *Van:*Jo [mailto:winfixit at gmail.com]
>> *Verzonden:* zondag 29 december 2019 15:53
>> *Aan:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mappen van paalcampings
>>
>>
>>
>> Hallo Karel,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ik heb een paar jaar geleden deze toegevoegd:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/222137187/history
>>
>>
>>
>> Die is onbereikbaar met de wagen. Ik denk niet dat het feit dat
>> hij op OpenStreetMap staat ervoor zorgt dat hij overrompelt wordt.
>>
>>
>>
>> In Tielt-Winge is er vorig jaar ook één bijgekomen. Ik heb die
>> wel op Mapillary, maar blijkbaar heb ik 'm nog niet toegevoegd
>> aan OSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 3:38 PM Karel Adams <fa348739 at skynet.be
>> <mailto:fa348739 at skynet.be>> wrote:
>>
>> Na enige aarzeling heb ik, proberenderwijs, de paalcamping
>> Arkadia in
>> Muizen toegevoegd. Zie
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7093111580#map=19/51.00354/4.54221
>>
>> Het zou me helemaal niet verbazen als de initiaftiefnemers
>> daarmee
>> allesbehalve gelukikig waren, ik heb dan ook geschreven om
>> een en ander
>> toe te lichten, en om goedkeuring te vragen. Want dit soort
>> initiatieven
>> houdt graag een laag profiel, het allerlaatste dat men daar
>> wil is dat
>> er iemand met een 4x4-superdeluxekampeerbus komt
>> binnengetuft. En dat
>> houd ik best voor mogelijk, allicht zal er wel iemand
>> campinggidsen
>> opmaken op basis van overpassqueries.
>>
>> Misschien toch beter maar terug verwijderen? Of welke tags
>> zouden er
>> kunnen toegevoegd worden om het eigen karakter van zo'n
>> paalcamping
>> duidelijk over te brengen? Iets van "access=???" of
>> "regulations=strict"?
>>
>> Over het concept van paalcampings kan men meer lezen op o.a.
>> http://www.bivakzone.be/
>>
>> Karel
>>
>>
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