[Talk-ca] OSM Addressing Posts

[Sam Vekemans]

Hi Dave and talk-ca list,

re: ontario address
well, because stats can has not shared the data with geobase, it isnt
part of the set.
However, there is plans to get that data, just might take some time.
Its unfortunate that all the data is not available from just 1 source.
(so we will use the best available)

The raw tracks i used for the TCT map, came directly from TCT.
The Across Canada Trails tracks came from (personal use only) copied
routes from bikely & google directions kml files.

I look forward to seeing the bike clubs trails (but if it was compiled
from many sources; it cant be used outside personal use only (just
like my TCT map)

re: business management plan

Well, the project is built from natural croud sourcing and wiki style building.
Those who wish todo more can, we just ask everyone to check with the
community before doing anything drastic.
Ie. The foundation sugested complete test areas for this geobase
import; and thats exactly what we are planning.

I write stuff on the wiki page, if others dont like it (or can make it
better) they do. They also write on my user talk page; i, intern
respond.

Everything that im planning gets talked about on the page; if someone
wants to take over, they certainly can. It would just mean that work
gets done faster.

An exit strategy?
Nope, there is none. This project is never complete. New
buildings/parks lands always change.
Eventually openstreetmap will be technically more accurate than Google
maps. In many cities it is.
Eventually it will be more accurate than Government maps. (but that
might take a bit longer)

I hope that covers most of it.

Happy Holidays,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails

On 12/23/08, Dave Sampson <samper.d at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sam,
>
> I'll have to check out your wiki page.
>
> I have worked a lot of with all the free government of Canada data. For
> my job I work for Geonnections (Geoconnections.org), a program by NRCAN.
> But this discussion does not represent the views or interests therein.
>
> I have worked for many years with data from GeoBase, Geogratis, Stats
> Canada (including the NRN) and other sources before working with the GOC.
>
> I found it surprising that you have not included ONTARIO in the address
> range list, because throug the stats can data set, last time I checked
> the Whole country has address ranges as I have processed many provinces
> through the PAGC project in its earlier days to get geocoded results.
> But maybe things have changed.
>
> Are you getting the raw trail data from its sources like the NCC,
> conservation authorities, Trans Canada trail, Trailpaq, cities and
> municipalities. A few years ago I produce a recreational trail inventory
> for the Eastern Ontario Model Forest (http://www.eomf.on.ca/). When I
> was in highschool I created and edited the vector data set for all the
> trails in Ottawa's Greenbelt now held by the NCC.
>
> The Ottawa Bike club has a large dataset by its members of bike routes,
> and the Alpine club of Canada has a large collection between its members
> for hiking and skiing trails.
>
> I belong to the local chapter of OSGEO.org here in Ottawa and have used
> pretty much all of the OSGEO software stack. I have delivered training
> courses in GRASS, JUMP, UDIG, POSTGIS and other FOSS4G packages. I am
> also one of the project owners of the Public Address Geocoder project
> (aka PAGC) http://www.pagcgeo.org/
>
> I also participate in OpenSourceBootcamp.org and in May we are having a
> mapping stream (Foss4G agin) partially hosted by osgeo.org. We will be
> holding clinics, discussion and the like.
>
> Found your blog but now wiki pages yet... link?
>
> I see that it is mainly a GPS map you are after... is there any reason
> not to publish the actual data (including the GPS map for immediate
> consumption of course). This would be a great addition to the Candadian
> Geospatial Data Infrastructure (aka CGDI)
> (http://cgdi.gc.ca/en/aboutcgdi.html).
>
> Although it does not fit in the four target areas right now, not all of
> the CGDI hits those areas.
>
> the key is that data comes from the source, and is based on standards,
> like those of the OGC (which includes but is not limited to KML)
> http://www.opengeospatial.org/.
>
> I would be interested in seeing the business and management plans for
> this project. I have so many simmilar projects pop up and then disapear..
>
> There used to be Trailpaq, which was part of "Go for Green", then those
> merged into Trails Canada, and now I don't know the relations with
> canadatrails that has popped up. These projects all had similar goals,
> got funding, did projects and then died. So I will be interested in how
> this project aims to stand the test of time.
>
> One thing these programs all tried to do was "run a website". No one has
> tried taking the aproach of "managing data to support applications"...
> so the data that drives these applications and the standards that make
> them possible.
>
> Being a recreologist my dream is to have a canadian recreational dataset
> produced by Canadians for Canadians based on standards and
> interoperability. I still have not seen it.
>
> I do wish you great luck as I am in the process of starting up a
> non-profit as well in a different domain (http://fgo.openconcept.ca) and
> understand the frustration of naysayers, but I also understand the
> importance of asking myself the tough questions including "what is my
> exit plan" and "who will carry the torch".
>
> Looking forward to the link.
>
> Cheers
>
>> Thanks,
>> Its a big project.
>>
>> If your interested in helping, feel free to read over my wiki
>> openstreetmap user page, i have a relatively detailed summary posted.
>>
>> On the geobase import talk page i go into detail about this part of it.
>> Right now, figuring out how to do the import is priority over building
>> a custom rendered slippy map, with poi's the likes of wiki travel. And
>> actually connecting the recreational trail types will be done after
>> the import gets started.
>>
>> What programs do you work with?
>>
>> Do you have experience working with geobase data?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sam
>>
>> On 12/22/08, Dave Sampson <samper.d at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Saw your posts on the PAGC list (Public Address Geocoder).
>>>
>>> Interested in your work with open street maps.
>>>
>>> Also interested in across canada trails...
>>>
>>> I am a heavy user of FOSS4G (open source GIS) software, with a
>>> recreation background.
>>>
>>> Just thought I would touch base.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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