[Talk-ca] More Google Copying
Sam Dyck
samueldyck at gmail.com
Mon Feb 22 01:21:24 GMT 2010
Could someone check? StatsCan's website isn't working for me
Sam
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Sam Vekemans
<acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi,
> Yup, i just sent off a nice message. Hopefully it will be recieved. I'll
> let you know if i get a responce back.
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Dan Putler <dan.putler at sauder.ubc.ca>wrote:
>
>> Could the data be from the StatsCan RNF? That would explain the geometry
>> being off, while having street names on the ways.
>>
>> Maybe?
> Then if that's true... then i think it's fine what the user is doing.
> Its still improving the map (from a blank map).
> Once the NRCan data is available, then more work is needed (for everywhere
> for all the features). But again it's to improve the map. So the fact
> that the geometry is off. We need to ask, how much off is it?
> ... if it's within 10meters, then it's still acceptable (as thats the GPS
> standard, when no other sources are available).
>
> Since GeoBase roads just has the basic linework is available. The solution
> would be to also convert the GeoBaseNRN data for Manitoba, then have the
> .osm files open in JOSM & adjust the OSM data to fit the GeoBase road
> network geometry.
> And the other solution is to be copying directly from the NRCan paper map
> sheets (available as PDFfiles). they just need to be alligned with some
> identifing points (the sheets have corner coordinates on it) and matched to
> JOSM points. (i used Garmin MapSource to make a waypoint at the exact
> corners of the sheet to get it lined up)
>
> A manual process, but if it's done by local people while adding more
> details, it shouldn't be that hard.
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
>
>> On Sun, 2010-02-21 at 16:34 -0800, Adam Dunn wrote:
>> > The NRN site confirms that names are not available in Manitoba (NRN
>> > for that province is on version 3) [1]. Sam, maybe you should send a
>> > nice email explaining that a blank map is better than an illegal one.
>> > This person has made edits to my hometown that I basically had to
>> > revert because the geometry was way off. Don't know what his source
>> > is...
>> >
>> > [1] http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/data/nrn/status.html
>> >
>> > Adam
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Sam Dyck <samueldyck at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > About an hour ago he/she was editing in Saskatoon, and has
>> > done a lot of work in Rural Manitoba to.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Sam Vekemans
>> > <acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Not sure if this link works
>> >
>> http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?area=1372:7&show=users&sort=total-&colour=date:30
>> > But you can see whats going on in the area..
>> > (or just log in and zoom to the area to find the
>> > mappers)
>> >
>> >
>> http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/Orkp7E40gO0fwyJ8AKlIZQ?feat=directlink
>> >
>> > Ya, it seems like alot of work has been done
>> > reciently.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Sam
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Sam Dyck
>> > <samueldyck at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I did, Geobase doesn't even have the street
>> > and lacks street names in Manitoba. (at least
>> > this is the case in the viewer. The Geobase
>> > data in Winnipeg appears to be out of date by
>> > at least 14 years in some cases.
>> > But yes, a mapping party would be a good idea,
>> > any other Winnipegers on this list?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Sam Vekemans
>> > <acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Thanks for sharing.
>> > The user seems to be doing alot of
>> > great work.
>> > Did you cross-check with the GeoBase
>> > data?
>> > Im not sure what the spelling of it is
>> > in there.
>> >
>> > If anyone is in Winnipeg, perhaps a
>> > couch mapping party is needed?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Sam
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Sam
>> > Dyck <samueldyck at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > So I just got a job that
>> > involves entering addresses
>> > into Google Maps (don't ask),
>> > one of these streets, Drobot
>> > Place (all address in
>> > winnipeg), Google has either
>> > deliberately or accidentally
>> > named Drobol Place (here,
>> > compare Yahoo, Bing, City of
>> > Winnipeg Assesment, Google
>> > Street View (Needs Flash)).
>> > OSM makes the same mistake as
>> > Google, which leads me to
>> > beileve that the street and
>> > others were copied from
>> > Google. I really hate telling
>> > people that I caught them
>> > "cheating." (I'm sure it was
>> > an honest mistake) Could
>> > someone please contact the
>> > editor responsible (you can
>> > look him/her up, I don't want
>> > to name names. I would be
>> > willing to help with any
>> > followup and cleanup, and you
>> > can give them my username
>> > (sammuell) if you wish, I just
>> > can't bring myself to send a
>> > message explaining just how I
>> > caught them.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Sam
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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