[Talk-ca] Labelling camp site numbers.

[Colin McGregor]

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:10 PM, G. Michael Carter
<mikey at carterfamily.ca> wrote:
>
> This is what I hate about copyright.
>
> So if copying the name "Forest Lawn" or Campsite 19 from a map it's a violation.  What about copying the name from the official website?  is copying the name of the Ontario Science Centre from http://www.ontariosciencecentre.ca/ a violation?  (like I just did for this e-mail)   What about standing in front of the campsite post writing down the number?  It's also also a violation as I'm "copying" the number?  What about remembering the number?   As I said below, being able to copyright maps is the stupidest idea I've ever seen.  Are the going to start copyrighting the landscape so an artist can't draw it next?  I'm sure someone's tried.

Copying off a map or a website without the permission of the copyright
holder is a violation. On the other hand, standing at the south-west
corner of Eglinton and Don Mills, seeing the sign that says "Ontario
Science Centre" then added it to Open Street Map is fine... Bottom
line, if you see something in the field, be it a street sign, a
business sign, etc., those can all be added without issue, but
anything under copyright can not be touched without permission...

> Seems the only way to avoid copyright is to burn more holes in the OZONE layer and drive over to the location and redo surveys already done by several other people burning holes in the OZONE layer...

I understand the concern, but ... When you start digging you will find
errors in the commercial copyright material, In some cases it is
simple out of date material (ie: street X had a name change to street
Y), In other cases there are documented examples of commercial map
makers including errors to catch copyright infringement... Bottom line
stay safe and don't include stuff that either you have seen with your
own eyes (the best way to do things in my book) or comes from a source
where the copyright holder has given their permission to copy (second
best)...

> Sorry... went on a tangent... :-)
>
> Mikey
>
> On 28/07/10 06:49 PM, Gerald A wrote:
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> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:08 PM, G. Michael Carter <mikey at carterfamily.ca> wrote:
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>> 1.  If I grab the camp site numbering off the reservations website and/or campground maps would that be a violation of copyright?
>
> Yes, for sure. Shift the question to a more mainstream map: "If I copy street names off a map, is it a copyright violation?"
>
> But, since this might be for business benefit, you could explain it to the copyright holder (the camp site owner) and ask for the data
> to be licenced. Campground operators would only benefit from this. (The province is a big operator too, but there is other considerations
> for ministries, unfortunately).
>
>> Side question:  Is it a violation to pull the names of object from google?   (ie:  Forest Lawn Cemetery?)  Does google have copyright traps like purposely miss-spelling names to catch copyright violators.
>
> Yes, it's a violation to copy stuff off of Google. Unless the person who has the copyright waves it, it's a violation.
>
> OSM has always been on the conservative side of thing with this, and rightly so.
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> Gerald
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