[Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

[john whelan]

To recap:

The objective of moving to ODBL is to give a stronger legal position for the
database.  This position can be undermined if any included data has not been
directly created by a mapper in the field.

In my edits I have included at least one bus stop from GTFS data, I don't
have the rights to license it under CC-by-ODBL.  At the time it was done my
expectation was that this information would become available under CC-by-SA
in the short term this has not happened.

I have included information from a source that had other information on it.
Not a major crime but it is technically a breach of copyright.

The two paragraphs above basically undermine any legal case that OSM would
have concerning Ottawa data unless the data is removed when brought to your
attention which is why I haven't specifically mentioned them before.  Note
it has now been brought to your attention and the responsibility for the
integrity of the database is now yours if you choose not to accept the
deletions.  There are probably a few other instances in there somewhere.

I have requested that my CT status be reverted.  I have tried to request
that my change sets / data be removed and I have manually deleted the
suspect data which I think is all I can reasonably do.  If you revert the
deleting edits then you undermine the legal case for protecting the OSM
database.

If my CT status was reverted then the older data would be deleted in time by
OSM.  I saw a post to that effect recently from Frederick in a reply to some
one who mentioned they couldn't accept the new CT.  That and Fredrick's
comment that people were deleting data that wasn't added under the new CT
triggered the decision to remove the data I had added to the project.
Basically the sooner its done the less impact it will have.  Leave it around
and others will edit it so their edits get lost as well.

There has been some discussion that I think you are aware of within OSM
about imports.  Basically the new CT is not import friendly.  As a
contributor you are responsible for the data you add to the project.  This
includes ensuring that only data that meets the licensing can be included.
I don't think anyone can say what the license in future will be changed to
or even if it will be changed.  Essentially this means I cannot give an
undertaking to CANVEC that OSM license will be compatible and acceptable in
the future when I don't know what that license will be.

OSM I think is changing to be a map that is done by people on the ground
with GPS devices.  That's fine, I have surveyed and added a number of
footpaths and I'm more than happy to add them to the  project.

I think if you look at Google you'll see imported bus stops.  I don't think
OSM will ever be reliable enough for people to use it for bus stops unless
they are imported.  In North America today I think regretfully Google and
Bing have essentially won when we look at what people use.

OSM is a very niche product.  It happens to be one I personally like very
much.  The Ottawa map I have hosted in Google documents using Maperitive is
still the only one I know of where you can find WLAN locations that are
wheelchair accessible and the data is searchable.

To protect the OSM database I think you have to remove my edits.  I'll add
the footpaths etc that have been manually surveyed back in later.

Thanks

Cheerio John




On 7 June 2011 13:24, Richard Weait <richard at weait.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed.
>
> Earlier you said that you were happy to have your surveyed data
> included in OSM under CT/ODbL, but you wanted Canvec data you uploaded
> removed.
>
> Now you say, "I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed. "
>
> Which is it?
>
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