[Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

[Steve Singer]

> In my edits I have included at least one bus stop from GTFS data, I
> don't have the rights to license it under CC-by-ODBL. At the time it
> was done my expectation was that this information would become
> available under CC-by-SA in the short term this has not happened.
>
> I have included information from a source that had other information on
> it. Not a major crime but it is technically a breach of copyright.

If you had just deleted a small handful of bus stops and other nodes with a comment "deleting 4 bus stops, and 2 roads since the data was based on a source that turned out to not be OSM license compatible" we wouldn't be have accepted that as a reasonable edit and thought little of it. Instead you deleted massive amounts of data, much of it that has no apparent licensing conflict with OSM.

>
> The two paragraphs above basically undermine any legal case that OSM
> would have concerning Ottawa data unless the data is removed when
> brought to your attention which is why I haven't specifically mentioned
> them before. Note it has now been brought to your attention and the
> responsibility for the integrity of the database is now yours if you
> choose not to accept the deletions. There are probably a few other
> instances in there somewhere.

You haven't yet told us which bus stops or change sets have copied data.   It is almost like me saying 'someone somewhere in the world has copied streetnames from google maps.  I'll just go and delete all the roads from OSM to be safe'.    Much of the data you deleted is clearly from Canvec and presents no licensing issues yet you deleted it.

>
> I have requested that my CT status be reverted. I have tried to
> request that my change sets / data be removed and I have manually
> deleted the suspect data which I think is all I can reasonably do. If
> you revert the deleting edits then you undermine the legal case for
> protecting the OSM database.

Life would be nice you could agree to terms&conditions and then withdraw your agreement retroactively.  Just think, I could get a credit card agree to the two pages of  T&C's and buy lots of cool stuff.   Then I could say to the credit card company 'I revoke the agreement, I'm not going to pay your all this stuff I bought because I can't afford your interest rates'.   

>
> There has been some discussion that I think you are aware of within OSM
> about imports. Basically the new CT is not import friendly. As a
> contributor you are responsible for the data you add to the project.
> This includes ensuring that only data that meets the licensing can be
> included. I don't think anyone can say what the license in future will
> be changed to or even if it will be changed. Essentially this means I
> cannot give an undertaking to CANVEC that OSM license will be
> compatible and acceptable in the future when I don't know what that
> license will be.

Both NRCan and the license working group have said that the CANVEC license is compatible with the OSM contributor terms.


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