[Talk-ca] Fixme Files

Sun Jul 29 03:39:04 BST 2012

Few observations relating to Montreal 031H05.0.2.osm. This is similar to what Adam observed.

Croissant Louise is an example were geometry was imported in OSM from Canvec but indicated as commited.

Canvec 031H05.0.2.osm ways=-135070,-134550,-135430 [fixme=commited] [highway=unclassified] corresponds to OSM ways 128837201,128837203,128837202 [highway=unclassified].

Canvec way=-135310 [fixme=commited] [highway=unclassified] corresponds to OSM way 13858176 [highway=service].
These ways have different geometries.

Canvec way=-135338 in Fixme_Canvec_O31H05 is not present in O31H05.0.2.osm but exist (in Canvec v11?).

I also saw roundabout indicated has commited that are treated differently in the two systems : a way making a circle in Canvec, and a simple end node with attribute highway=roundabout in OSM.

Pierre 

----- Mail original -----
> De : Adam Dunn <dunnadam at gmail.com>
> À : "talk-ca at openstreetmap.org" <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc : 
> Envoyé le : Samedi 28 juillet 2012 17h26
> Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Fixme Files
> 
>( Relating to 092G02.1.1.2)
> I've done some manual comparisons between Canvec 10 and OSM in New
> Westminster (Vancouver) area, and for the most part, the fixme seems
> pretty accurate (ignoring highways marked due to being unclassified).
> Omissions and commisions seem to be correct, and I was easily able to
> spot a little road (the east tail end of Glover Avenue) that is
> missing in OSM (but present in Canvec and Bing aerial). However, take
> a look at these residential areas off Mulberry Place
> [http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.238584&lon=-122.910982&zoom=18&layers=M].
> There are several roads present in OSM where there are blank spots in
> Canvec, and yet the Fixme file did not mark them (it only marked some
> of them). This could be due to comparison to Canvec 11, which I don't
> have, or maybe the algorithm needs some more tuning.
> 
> In looking at Fixme files for Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and
> Moncton, I have not seen a single "Attributed" tag (and I'm using 
> JOSM
> filters to try and find them). Has this been implemented yet? Have any
> examples to show?
> 
> Adam
> 
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Adam Dunn <dunnadam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Thanks for the mappaint style Pierre. That comes in very handy!
>> 
>>  (Following two paragraphs relate to 092G02.1.1.0, you will need to get
>>  correct Canvec files from main ftp, as the included files are
>>  incorrect, as pointed out by PNorman)
>>  Looks like the comparison isn't picking up on 
> "highway=unclassified"?
>>  The notes tag doesn't specify unclassified as being covered, and this
>>  seems to be the case from the files. Take a look at this shopping mall
>>  area: 
> [http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.192201&lon=-122.948192&zoom=18&layers=M].
>>  Both Canvec and OSM have the service roads marked as 
> "unclassified",
>>  and are of equal geometry (in fact, it is a GeoBase import that mbiker
>>  did), and yet they are marked as "committed" (missing in OSM).
>> 
>>  Across the highway to the south
>> 
> [http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.187566&lon=-122.945054&zoom=18&layers=M],
>>  there are several roads that are tagged "unclassified" in Canvec 
> 10,
>>  but the tagging on OSM has been changed to "residential". The 
> fixme
>>  file does not contain them (no changes necessary). It would appear
>>  that handling unclassified should be included or notification that
>>  it's a tagging issue, rather than a commit.
>> 
>>  (This is from 021I02.0.2.3)
>>  It also seems as though you are using newer Canvec data (11?) to
>>  generate the fixme file? Looking at random new residential area in
>>  Moncton 
> [http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.071156&lon=-64.756724&zoom=18&layers=M],
>>  there are no roads in OSM or the included Canvec files, but the Fixme
>>  file lists roads as being present. I guess this is a sneak preview of
>>  what will be coming in Canvec 11? The roads are partially constructed
>>  when looking at Bing imagery.
>> 
>>  So far this is some really really great information. Lets iron out the
>>  bugs and we'll have an awesome system to work with.
>> 
>>  Adam
>> 
>>  On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Pierre Béland 
> <infosbelas-gps at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>  To facilitate the visualization of Canvec Fixme files and comparison 
> with
>>>  OSM data in JOSM, I made a Custom Mappaint stylesheet and added Imagery
>>>  sources to the JOSM Imagery Sources.
>>> 
>>>  The file canvec-fixme.mapcss, enclosed in this message, highlights 
> objects
>>>  with different colors based on the Fixme messages. This helps 
> distinguish
>>>  the various warning messages related to objects described in the Canvec
>>>  Fixme file.
>>> 
>>>  To use this Stylesheet, save it on your local disk and install it in 
> JOSM
>>>  from the Mappaint Preferences menu. This will be added to the Map 
> Styles
>>>  List.
>>> 
>>>  The objects are colored based on the Fixme message as described below :
>>> 
>>>            COLOR
>>> 
>>>  RED           Commited – Canvec feature does not match any Osm feature.
>>>  Missing/Misclassified Osm feature?
>>>  GREEN      Omited – Osm feature does not match any Canvec feature.
>>>  Missing/Misclassified Canvec feature?
>>>  BLUE         Unmatched – OSM and Canvec geometries are significantly
>>>  different.Geometries need to be fixed?
>>>  YELLOW    Attributed – Osm and Canvec geometries matched but some 
> common
>>>  attributes differ. Attributes need to be fixed?
>>> 
>>>  I also added Geobase / Canvec Imagery sources in the JOSM Wiki Map page
>>>  (https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps). To select these Imagery 
> sources
>>>  in JOSM, select the WMS-TMS Preferences menu.  Click on the Refresh 
> button
>>>  at the right of the smallmap. Then, in the CA section of the list of
>>>  providers, you can activate Canvec, Geobase Hydro or Geobase roads
>>>  Imageries.
>>> 
>>>  I hope that both the stylesheet and the Imagery sources will simplify 
> the
>>>  comparison of the Canvec Fixme files with the OSM database.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Pierre
>>> 
>>>  ________________________________
>>>  De : "Bégin, Daniel" <Daniel.Begin at RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca>
>>>  À : "talk-ca at openstreetmap.org" 
> <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
>>>  Envoyé le : Vendredi 27 juillet 2012 12h31
>>>  Objet : [Talk-ca] Fixme Files
>>> 
>>>  Bonjour,
>>> 
>>>  Here are some Fixme file samples for Calgary, Moncton, Montreal, 
> Ottawa,
>>>  St-John's, Vancouver and Winnipeg
>>>  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Fixme_files
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Please, have a look and comment on format/content to make it 
> appropriate for
>>>  the community.
>>>  Good weekend!
>>> 
>>>  Daniel
>>> 
>>> 
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