[Talk-ca] Re : admin_level of canadian cities

[Bruno Remy]

You're right : i will do so.

Bruno Remy
Le 2012-06-14 15:49, "Pierre Béland" <infosbelas-gps at yahoo.fr> a écrit :

> I suggest to keep node 30915641 where content is more accurate.  Tag
> state_capital is ok. But the tag admin_level=4 should be removed. And I
> dont know if capital=yes adds anything.
>
> We should avoid to create duplicates of the tag admin_level and not
> confuse about where to place admin_level tags.
>
> Admin_level=4 refers to the province. It is placed in the boundary
> relation for Quebec province (as it is presenly).
>
>
> Admin_level=8 refers to the municipality. It is presently in the node for
> Quebec city. wich is ok. But when a boundary relation will be created for
> Quebec city, this admin_level tag will be moved to that boundary relation.
>
> Boundary relation :the node for Quebec city, 30915641, should be added to
> boundary relation for Quebec province with role .admin_centre
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/61549.
>
>
>
> Pierre
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/30915641
>  <http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/30915641>
> addr:country = CA  admin_level = 4  capital = yes  is_in<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is%20in?uselang=fr>= Québec, Canada  is_in:continent
> = Amérique du Nord  is_in:country = Canada  is_in:state = Québec  is_in:state_code
> = QC  name <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:name?uselang=fr> =
> Québec  name:ar = كويبك سيتي  name:en = Quebec  name:eu = Québec  name:fr
> = Québec  name:ru = Квебек  place<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:place?uselang=fr>=
> city <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:place=city?uselang=fr>
> population <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:population?uselang=fr>= 8047000  state_capital
> = yes  superficy = 1667441
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1781476959<http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/30915641>
>  admin_level = 8  capital = 8  is_in<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is%20in?uselang=fr>= Canada, Québec, Capitale-Nationale
> name <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:name?uselang=fr> = Québec  name:en
> = Quebec  place<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:place?uselang=fr>=
> town <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:place=town?uselang=fr>
> population <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:population?uselang=fr>= 8047000
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *De :* Andrew Lester <a-lester at shaw.ca>
> *À :* 'Pierre Béland' <infosbelas-gps at yahoo.fr>; 'Bruno Remy' <
> bremy.qc.ca at gmail.com>; talk-ca at openstreetmap.org
> *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 14 juin 2012 14h59
> *Objet :* RE: [Talk-ca] admin_level of canadian cities
>
> Ahh, you’re absolutely correct. I hadn’t noticed that node. The one I was
> looking at is http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/30915641, which
> isn’t part of any relations. One of these two “Quebec” nodes should
> probably be removed and the remaining one added to the provincial relation.
>
> Andrew
>
> *From:* Pierre Béland [mailto:infosbelas-gps at yahoo.fr]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:52 AM
> *To:* Andrew Lester; 'Bruno Remy'; talk-ca at openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re : [Talk-ca] admin_level of canadian cities
>
> We should not confuse province and municipality levels.
>
> Quebec city has admin_level=8. See  node description
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1781476959
>
> Quebec province has admin_level=4. See  Administrative boundary
> relationhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/61549
>
> *Pierre *
> ------------------------------
> *De :* Andrew Lester <a-lester at shaw.ca>
> *À :* 'Bruno Remy' <bremy.qc.ca at gmail.com>; talk-ca at openstreetmap.org
> *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 14 juin 2012 14h13
> *Objet :* Re: [Talk-ca] admin_level of canadian cities
>
>
> As far as I can tell, the reason Quebec City is tagged as admin_level=4 is
> because it’s the capital of the province. As per your linked wiki page,
> provinces are admin_level=4. For any old non-capital city, they should be
> tagged admin_level=8. Keep in mind that admin_level=* is primarily intended
> for use on boundary ways and relations, not the place=* node. The usage of
> admin_level=*and capital=* on city nodes is part of a proposed feature
> covering capitals (
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/capital). Contrary
> to what that proposal outlines, the common usage according to Taginfo (
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/capital#values) seems to be that
> capitals are tagged as capital=[admin level number] (ie. Quebec City would
> be tagged capital=4).
>
> Andrew Lester
> Victoria, BC
>
> *From:* Bruno Remy [mailto:bremy.qc.ca at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:44 AM
> *To:* talk-ca at openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* [Talk-ca] admin_level of canadian cities
>
> hi,
>
> What do you suggest for "admin_level" of canadian cities, because i
> noticed difference between the official Canadian recommendation on
> Openstreetmap wiki (
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries)
> witch is suggesting LEVEL 8 ... whereas you can check LEVEL 4 for big
> cities in Canada on Opensstreetmap (Quebec City as instance...)
>
> So ... do we adjust our admin_level according to the canadian section of
> openstreetmap's wiki?
> Or do you suggest to keep on tracks on LEVEL 8 usage... and why?
>
> --
> Bruno Remy
>
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