[Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name?

[Paul Norman]

I’ve added the place node to both relations after discussions with Nominatim
experts. It’s a bit strange, but so is the situation. It seems to fix the
queries you gave.

 

From: Pierre Béland [mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr] 
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:52 PM
To: Pierre Béland; William Rieck; Paul Norman
Cc: talk-ca
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name?

 

Oups I was wrong in identifiying the polygons in JOSM. 

These are  two adjacent polygons, the city being surrounded by the township.
The difference in spelling comes from the alt_name=Langley. 

I should have mapped for the Night of the living map instead. Or maybe not!

 

Pierre 

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De : Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
À : William Rieck <billr at thinkers.org>; Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com> 
Cc : talk-ca <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org> 
Envoyé le : Vendredi 21 février 2014 21h53
Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name?

 

Looking at the Township and City of Langley, I see that these relations are
duplicate polygons that share the exact same nodes. Then why two relations?
Instead, would it be better to simply use alt_name for the city, added to
the Township of Langley.  Such Classification where you have two
admin_level=8 for the same area is a nonsense to my point of view. 

To show the inconsistencies that this creates, let's have a look at the
Nominatim links below. You will see how the Locality, Suburb, Residential
highways etc. are shared between the two. And most of the item are
classified under the Township. Some other elements under the City. But
searching Nominatims, you will see places classified either und the
Township, the City of simply Langley.

For example, if you search in Nominatim for 

*	Livingstone, Langley. Canada, this will be reported as Livingstone,
Township of Langley, Greater Vancouver Regional District, British-Columbia,
Canada
*	10 Avenue, Township of Langley, Greater Vancouver Regional District,
Colombie-Britannique, Canada
*	Brookswood, Township of Langley, Greater Vancouver Regional
District, Colombie-Britannique, Canada
*	201A Street, Brookswood, Langley, Greater Vancouver Regional
District, Colombie-Britannique, Canada


The best seems to make a choice for which locality title will be showed to
describe Langley and use an alt_name tag to describe the second appellation




*	City Boundary Township of Langley, Greater Vancouver Regional
District, Colombie-Britannique, Canada
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2031947> 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2031947
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=9164399767



*	City Boundary City of Langley, Greater Vancouver Regional District,
Colombie-Britannique, Canada <http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2031946>

http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2031946
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=98083231


 

 

Pierre 



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De : William Rieck <billr at thinkers.org>
À : Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com> 
Cc : talk-ca <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org> 
Envoyé le : Vendredi 21 février 2014 12h09
Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name?

 

Hi Paul, I was following your message until this statement, where I got
confused. Are you saying the city of Langley is not a city? What do you mean
by "in British English"?

 


That's all fairly simple, but the place node is more complicated. Langley is
not a "city" in British English, but a "town".

 

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