[Talk-ca] Montréal: Inconsistency in Public Transportation Provider's Name

[john whelan]

Good heavens you mean we should spell out OCtranspo as Ottawa Carleton
Transpo in case any American tourists get confused?

Unfortunately the locals will probably get confused with this and whilst we
should cater to these foreign tourists I think what is on the signs locally
will be less confusing to the locals unless of course we get many more
people streaming in to escape Donald.

Or have I misunderstood some poor American?

Cheerio John

On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 4:48 pm OSM Volunteer stevea, <
steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:

> Dusting off a month-old thread...
>
> Damien and Jarek, it seems the examples listed below both fit into a
> "citizen mappers coalescing on a local/regional way to do things" as well
> as a "somebody unfamiliar with Canadian transport mapping w.r.t. naming,
> network and operator tag conventions" (maybe who reads our wikis, maybe who
> does OT queries...) can figure this out quickly and sensibly.  It's great
> to see that's where things have landed, pretty close to a
> sweet-spot/bullseye.
>
> However (if I have to "spoil" a good thing, oh, well, this is a discussion
> forum...) I do think that operator=RATP is a bit curt even as "tout le
> monde à Paris sait ce que signifie la RATP."  (I recall being asked in a
> Regional Transportation Commission meeting what AASHTO stood for and I got
> it wrong, but then quickly got it right on the next try seconds later,
> alas, "too late").  It is true that an OSM convention is name=Saint Louis
> instead of name=St. Louis; abbreviations are frowned upon in databases like
> OSM because they are "one-way in the wrong way."  Please let us not allow
> perfection to become the enemy of the very good or even excellent and
> well-thought out and discussed, as are developing public_transport OSM data
> in Canada.  We're making a great map.
>
> Thank you again for spirited and interesting discussion.
>
> SteveA
> California
>
>
> > On Jul 16, 2018, at 6:06 PM, Damien Riegel <damien.riegel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 12 July 2018 at 17:17, OSM Volunteer stevea <
> steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 12, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca>
> wrote:
> > > Damien's question appears to be about nodes like
> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/438843513, which has
> > > name=Berri-UQAM, operator=Société de transport de Montréal.
> > > short_name=STM seems inappropriate here, we could do
> > > operator:short_name=STM or something but it seems a bit much.
> >
> > Thank you for your analysis and reporting to the list, Jarek!  Yes, I
> agree that operator:short_name=STM is a bit of "overkill" (getting
> over-specific on the key side).
> >
> > > The nearby station https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/26233453 has
> > > name=Jean-Drapeau, network=STM, operator=Société de transport de
> > > Montréal which seems like an attempt as good as we might get. Commuter
> > > rail station https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/548900549 has
> > > network=RTM, operator=Réseau de transport métropolitain which fits
> > > that scheme as well. Similar with a random bus line on North Shore
> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3472432
> >
>
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