[Talk-ca] Montréal: Inconsistency in Public Transportation Provider's Name

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Sun Aug 12 22:15:55 UTC 2018


If you wish to raise matters about local mapping in Montreal I suggest you
use French as it is the language that most Montreal mappers are familiar
with.

Cheerio John

On 12 August 2018 at 17:37, OSM Volunteer stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com>
wrote:

> John, especially in light that we both volunteer in a wonderful
> organization like OSM, I consider neither of us poor.  Truly, I mean that.
>
> It wouldn't be "confused" that I might be.  It would be much more leaning
> towards, if not firmly in, the camp of "abbreviating in OSM key:value pairs
> is frowned upon because it maps backwards incompletely."  That is a fair
> logical/mathematical/linguistic/database point.  Getting line-renderers
> to pay attention to short_name or alt_name or local_name or coalesce on
> something sensible, sure, that's a happy place.  I'd love to see a
> transport renderer that is wicked-smart with v2 and even v3 savvy colors,
> naming, routes and a "visual pop" that a good map does simply as you look
> at it.  That starts with good tagging including good discussion about
> tagging.  Simple as walking.
>
> Politics aside and whether hordes flee JDT or not, I am talking about good
> tagging in OSM as transport networks and how they are named and "get smart"
> really is happening all over Earth.  Good protocols to "we're all paying
> attention together" works.  Whether ISO/UN/IEEE or other acronyms and how a
> committee really can get the phones to connect and the trains running on
> time, the ideas behind "let's agree on good language and tagging..." work,
> this is simply being good neighbors.  A big human family sharing a map acts
> like a big human family sharing a map.  We seem to continue to do that here
> in talk-ca, talk-us and so on.  Thank you.
>
> SteveA
> California
>
> > On Aug 12, 2018, at 2:17 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Good heavens you mean we should spell out OCtranspo as Ottawa Carleton
> Transpo in case any American tourists get confused?
> >
> > Unfortunately the locals will probably get confused with this and whilst
> we should cater to these foreign tourists I think what is on the signs
> locally will be less confusing to the locals unless of course we get many
> more people streaming in to escape Donald.
> >
> > Or have I misunderstood some poor American?
> >
> > Cheerio John
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 4:48 pm OSM Volunteer stevea, <
> steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:
> > Dusting off a month-old thread...
> >
> > Damien and Jarek, it seems the examples listed below both fit into a
> "citizen mappers coalescing on a local/regional way to do things" as well
> as a "somebody unfamiliar with Canadian transport mapping w.r.t. naming,
> network and operator tag conventions" (maybe who reads our wikis, maybe who
> does OT queries...) can figure this out quickly and sensibly.  It's great
> to see that's where things have landed, pretty close to a
> sweet-spot/bullseye.
> >
> > However (if I have to "spoil" a good thing, oh, well, this is a
> discussion forum...) I do think that operator=RATP is a bit curt even as
> "tout le monde à Paris sait ce que signifie la RATP."  (I recall being
> asked in a Regional Transportation Commission meeting what AASHTO stood for
> and I got it wrong, but then quickly got it right on the next try seconds
> later, alas, "too late").  It is true that an OSM convention is name=Saint
> Louis instead of name=St. Louis; abbreviations are frowned upon in
> databases like OSM because they are "one-way in the wrong way."  Please let
> us not allow perfection to become the enemy of the very good or even
> excellent and well-thought out and discussed, as are developing
> public_transport OSM data in Canada.  We're making a great map.
> >
> > Thank you again for spirited and interesting discussion.
> >
> > SteveA
> > California
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 16, 2018, at 6:06 PM, Damien Riegel <damien.riegel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 12 July 2018 at 17:17, OSM Volunteer stevea <
> steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 12, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca>
> wrote:
> > > > Damien's question appears to be about nodes like
> > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/438843513, which has
> > > > name=Berri-UQAM, operator=Société de transport de Montréal.
> > > > short_name=STM seems inappropriate here, we could do
> > > > operator:short_name=STM or something but it seems a bit much.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your analysis and reporting to the list, Jarek!  Yes, I
> agree that operator:short_name=STM is a bit of "overkill" (getting
> over-specific on the key side).
> > >
> > > > The nearby station https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/26233453 has
> > > > name=Jean-Drapeau, network=STM, operator=Société de transport de
> > > > Montréal which seems like an attempt as good as we might get.
> Commuter
> > > > rail station https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/548900549 has
> > > > network=RTM, operator=Réseau de transport métropolitain which fits
> > > > that scheme as well. Similar with a random bus line on North Shore
> > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3472432
> > >
> >
> >
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