[Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 120, Issue 48

Fri Feb 23 14:24:58 UTC 2018

I don’t mind trying to contact the school, Fredrick. I have a few contacts with the two Ottawa school boards. 

Jonathan Brown

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Today's Topics:

   1. Issues with an Ottawa school (Frederik Ramm)
   2. Re: Issues with an Ottawa school (John Marshall)
   3. Re: Issues with an Ottawa school (James)
   4. Re: Issues with an Ottawa school (Frederik Ramm)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:58:49 +0100
From: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [Talk-ca] Issues with an Ottawa school
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Hi,

DWG has received a complaint about a fictional village in Africa,

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/16.36752/-3.47617

and after investigation it turns out that a total of 120 user accounts
have been created on January 25th, using email addresses that point to
one particular unified school district in Ottawa.

76 of these have made edits, some of which are legitimate tracings of
buildings in Africa, but the majority are "funny" edits like the ones
you see in the link above, in various places in Africa and occasionally
the US. Objects with names like "Get dunked on", "The Ocean of
Awsomeness with Vianey, Sarah, Maddy and Aubrey not Abby", "the abanoned
mushroom railroad", "some fenced in area", "The Monkey Park" - the usual
teenage stuff.

I don't have the time to sort the good from the bad, and given that none
of the pupils/students were active after January 26th, I'll probably
revert the lot.

Would anybody be willing to try and make contact with the school
district in question, and try to find out who is responsible? It is
certainly a good idea to introduce young people to OSM, but apparently
with 120 in one go, teachers/instructors were unable to provide the
necessary guidance for this to become a success. (I have not seen any
attempts of organised cleanup either.)

It would be good if the organisers responsible had a contact into the
Ottawa OSM community so they could ask for support next time they plan
something like this.

(As a side note, most accounts seem to have been set up using real
names, which perhaps also is not best practice for teenage editing,
*especially* if most of the data contributed is actually detrimental to
OSM.)

If someone steps forward, I would furnish them with details in a
personal email so as to avoid publicly tarnishing the reputation of the
school in question ;)

Our aim is not to accuse, but to help them understand the issue, and do
better next time. It would be ideal if whoever steps forward possesses
the diplomacy skills necessary to get that across.

Bye
Frederik

-- 
Frederik Ramm  ##  eMail frederik at remote.org  ##  N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:06:38 -0500
From: John Marshall <rps333 at gmail.com>
To: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Issues with an Ottawa school
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	<CAH86ax7KJvfQat47iZEk4EFEqeFz_mk+M5Lxd75gF2TCxEMDxQ at mail.gmail.com>
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Good day Frederik,

I would.

John Marshall
Ottawa

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> DWG has received a complaint about a fictional village in Africa,
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/16.36752/-3.47617
>
> and after investigation it turns out that a total of 120 user accounts
> have been created on January 25th, using email addresses that point to
> one particular unified school district in Ottawa.
>
> 76 of these have made edits, some of which are legitimate tracings of
> buildings in Africa, but the majority are "funny" edits like the ones
> you see in the link above, in various places in Africa and occasionally
> the US. Objects with names like "Get dunked on", "The Ocean of
> Awsomeness with Vianey, Sarah, Maddy and Aubrey not Abby", "the abanoned
> mushroom railroad", "some fenced in area", "The Monkey Park" - the usual
> teenage stuff.
>
> I don't have the time to sort the good from the bad, and given that none
> of the pupils/students were active after January 26th, I'll probably
> revert the lot.
>
> Would anybody be willing to try and make contact with the school
> district in question, and try to find out who is responsible? It is
> certainly a good idea to introduce young people to OSM, but apparently
> with 120 in one go, teachers/instructors were unable to provide the
> necessary guidance for this to become a success. (I have not seen any
> attempts of organised cleanup either.)
>
> It would be good if the organisers responsible had a contact into the
> Ottawa OSM community so they could ask for support next time they plan
> something like this.
>
> (As a side note, most accounts seem to have been set up using real
> names, which perhaps also is not best practice for teenage editing,
> *especially* if most of the data contributed is actually detrimental to
> OSM.)
>
> If someone steps forward, I would furnish them with details in a
> personal email so as to avoid publicly tarnishing the reputation of the
> school in question ;)
>
> Our aim is not to accuse, but to help them understand the issue, and do
> better next time. It would be ideal if whoever steps forward possesses
> the diplomacy skills necessary to get that across.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
> --
> Frederik Ramm  ##  eMail frederik at remote.org  ##  N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:09:46 -0500
From: James <james2432 at gmail.com>
To: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Issues with an Ottawa school
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fyi, I'm not aware of any projects going on at schools, only
BC2020(buildings in Canada) and thats mostly a University level effort...

On Feb 22, 2018 2:02 PM, "Frederik Ramm" <frederik at remote.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> DWG has received a complaint about a fictional village in Africa,
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/16.36752/-3.47617
>
> and after investigation it turns out that a total of 120 user accounts
> have been created on January 25th, using email addresses that point to
> one particular unified school district in Ottawa.
>
> 76 of these have made edits, some of which are legitimate tracings of
> buildings in Africa, but the majority are "funny" edits like the ones
> you see in the link above, in various places in Africa and occasionally
> the US. Objects with names like "Get dunked on", "The Ocean of
> Awsomeness with Vianey, Sarah, Maddy and Aubrey not Abby", "the abanoned
> mushroom railroad", "some fenced in area", "The Monkey Park" - the usual
> teenage stuff.
>
> I don't have the time to sort the good from the bad, and given that none
> of the pupils/students were active after January 26th, I'll probably
> revert the lot.
>
> Would anybody be willing to try and make contact with the school
> district in question, and try to find out who is responsible? It is
> certainly a good idea to introduce young people to OSM, but apparently
> with 120 in one go, teachers/instructors were unable to provide the
> necessary guidance for this to become a success. (I have not seen any
> attempts of organised cleanup either.)
>
> It would be good if the organisers responsible had a contact into the
> Ottawa OSM community so they could ask for support next time they plan
> something like this.
>
> (As a side note, most accounts seem to have been set up using real
> names, which perhaps also is not best practice for teenage editing,
> *especially* if most of the data contributed is actually detrimental to
> OSM.)
>
> If someone steps forward, I would furnish them with details in a
> personal email so as to avoid publicly tarnishing the reputation of the
> school in question ;)
>
> Our aim is not to accuse, but to help them understand the issue, and do
> better next time. It would be ideal if whoever steps forward possesses
> the diplomacy skills necessary to get that across.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
> --
> Frederik Ramm  ##  eMail frederik at remote.org  ##  N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 20:33:33 +0100
From: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
To: talk-ca at openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Issues with an Ottawa school
Message-ID: <574e47c1-03ed-aed2-2806-6203bddb4c07 at remote.org>
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Apologies everyone (and thanks John for stepping forward) - I have the
wrong Ottawa. My school isn't even in Canada. Sorry for the noise, I'll
have to ask elsewhere.

On 02/22/2018 07:58 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> DWG has received a complaint about a fictional village in Africa,
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/16.36752/-3.47617
> 
> and after investigation it turns out that a total of 120 user accounts
> have been created on January 25th, using email addresses that point to
> one particular unified school district in Ottawa.
> 
> 76 of these have made edits, some of which are legitimate tracings of
> buildings in Africa, but the majority are "funny" edits like the ones
> you see in the link above, in various places in Africa and occasionally
> the US. Objects with names like "Get dunked on", "The Ocean of
> Awsomeness with Vianey, Sarah, Maddy and Aubrey not Abby", "the abanoned
> mushroom railroad", "some fenced in area", "The Monkey Park" - the usual
> teenage stuff.
> 
> I don't have the time to sort the good from the bad, and given that none
> of the pupils/students were active after January 26th, I'll probably
> revert the lot.
> 
> Would anybody be willing to try and make contact with the school
> district in question, and try to find out who is responsible? It is
> certainly a good idea to introduce young people to OSM, but apparently
> with 120 in one go, teachers/instructors were unable to provide the
> necessary guidance for this to become a success. (I have not seen any
> attempts of organised cleanup either.)
> 
> It would be good if the organisers responsible had a contact into the
> Ottawa OSM community so they could ask for support next time they plan
> something like this.
> 
> (As a side note, most accounts seem to have been set up using real
> names, which perhaps also is not best practice for teenage editing,
> *especially* if most of the data contributed is actually detrimental to
> OSM.)
> 
> If someone steps forward, I would furnish them with details in a
> personal email so as to avoid publicly tarnishing the reputation of the
> school in question ;)
> 
> Our aim is not to accuse, but to help them understand the issue, and do
> better next time. It would be ideal if whoever steps forward possesses
> the diplomacy skills necessary to get that across.
> 
> Bye
> Frederik
> 

-- 
Frederik Ramm  ##  eMail frederik at remote.org  ##  N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

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