[Talk-ca] BC2020i Mapathon Event

Jonathan Brown jonabrow at gmail.com
Fri Feb 16 18:02:33 UTC 2018


Rob Halkon, GIS Supervisor at the Durham Region, has approval to host an all-day mapathon event on March 29. The region has kindly offered to provide the venue with food. I attended the Toronto OSM Meetup last week and they suggested someone by the name of Richard might be able to help with the training, We are meeting on Friday Feb 23 from 1 pm to 4 pm to create a “flight plan” for the mapathon. This event will be followed up with a second event in late September or early October prior to the Oct 22 Municipal Elections in Ontario. We want to connect it to mapping trees in a narrowly defined boundary and connect it to the theme of sustainable development goals and climate change. We also want to use the BC2020i framework and mobile app for this event. Your feedback is welcome.  

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Today's Topics:

   1. Cleanup of addr:country, addr:province, addr:state
      (Matthew Darwin)
   2. Re: Formatting of Municipality Names (Matthew Darwin)
   3. Re: Formatting of Municipality Names (James)


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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:40:15 -0500
From: Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca>
To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [Talk-ca] Cleanup of addr:country, addr:province, addr:state
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Hi all,

During the discussion of cleaning up municipality names in Canada, it 
was suggested that the addr:city could be removed entirely if the 
appropriate boundaries are defined.   I would hazard to guess (and 
will endeavour to investigate) that the addr:city and the boundaries 
do not always align in Canada (there are ~11300 administrative 
boundaries of some type and there are ~7000 unique addr:city tags)... 
so this will be a much more long term effort.

However, the provincial/territorial boundaries are defined, so 
removing the addr:country, addr:provice and addr:state tags might be a 
more reasonable at this time.  (addr:country is used ~94% less than 
addr:street)

Tags, by number of occurrences:

  167902 addr:country

   33252 addr:state

  179741 addr:province

2950115 addr:city

2942159 addr:street

2934341 addr:housenumber


-- 
Matthew Darwin
matthew at mdarwin.ca
http://www.mdarwin.ca

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:41:49 -0500
From: Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca>
To: talk-ca <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names
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To start the cleanup process, the following *Ontario* cities are being 
changed (remove "City of" or "City Of").   Once that is done, I'll 
come back with the next batch to process...

The idea to remove the city name in its entirety will require careful 
consideration to ensure the necessary boundary relations are in place 
and of course more discussion to see if people are comfortable to 
proceed on that kind of activity.

  110707 City of Toronto
   45716 City of Hamilton
   27234 City of London
   25393 City of Brampton
   17251 City of Vaughan
   16929 City of St. Catharines
   16592 City of Kawartha Lakes
   16087 City of Thunder Bay
   14787 City of Niagara Falls
   13966 City of Kingston
   12085 City of Oshawa
   11321 City of Barrie
   10981 City of Burlington
   10347 City of Guelph
    9666 City of Brantford
    9384 City of Sarnia
    9102 City of Windsor
    9044 City Of Sault Ste. Marie
    8263 City of Peterborough
    7819 City of Quinte West
    7593 City of Welland
    6753 City of Pickering
    6608 City of Greater Sudbury
    6375 City Of Greater Sudbury
    6239 City of Belleville
    6165 City of Prince Edward County
    5696 City of Cornwall
    5269 City Of Timmins
    4877 City of Port Colborne
    4208 City of Woodstock
    3971 City of Thorold
    3692 City of St. Thomas
    3603 City of Cambridge
    3529 City of Orillia
    3355 City of Brockville
    3098 City of Owen Sound
    2733 City of Clarence-Rockland
    2377 City Of Pembroke
    1549 City Of Dryden
     871 City of Kenora
     766 City Of Elliot Lake
     544 City of Elliot Lake
     302 City of Waterloo
     241 City of North Bay
      78 City of Kitchener
      47 City of Markham
      18 City of Timmins
       3 City of Vaughan (Maple)
       2 City of Sault Ste. Marie



On 2018-02-12 09:13 PM, Kevin Farrugia wrote:
> Bernie is correct.  "City of", "Municipality of", "x County" is a 
> legal name that would be referring to the legal entity itself (the 
> Government) rather than the place.  The place should just be 
> Toronto, Hamilton, Mississauga etc..
>
> The data source these legal names comes from has the legal name as 
> it's usually establishing the jurisdiction that contains the road.  
> The address ranges are derived from the road system, so it's just 
> been copied over.
>
> -Kevin Farrugia
> kevinfarrugia at gmail.com <mailto:kevinfarrugia at gmail.com>
>
> On 12 February 2018 at 21:02, Bernie Connors <bernie.connors at unb.ca 
> <mailto:bernie.connors at unb.ca>> wrote:
>
>     I see the use of "City of" as indicating the official name of a
>     municipality as it is defined in legislation. Here in New
>     Brunswick the Municipalities Act‎ defines the official names of
>     municipalities. Some opt to use "City of ", "Town of ", etc in
>     the Municipalities Act and some don't. But when it comes to
>     names on maps we should be more concerned with toponyms and not
>     official names. The use of "City of ", "Town of ", etc is very
>     rare in toponyms. Here is a query on the Canadian Geographic
>     Names Database searching for the term "of" in the "populated
>     places" category -
>     http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/search?q=of&theme%5B%5D=985&category=O
>     <http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/search?q=of&theme%5B%5D=985&category=O>
>
>     I only see two examples that include "City of ", "Town of ", etc
>     across the entire country:
>     City of Brant, ON
>     Village of Queen Charlotte, BC
>
>     Bernie.
>
>     On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:45 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea
>     <steveaOSM at softworkers.com <mailto:steveaOSM at softworkers.com>>
>     wrote:
>
>         I smell a harmonization with admin_level...not that there's
>         anything wrong with that.
>         SteveA
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:48:07 -0500
From: James <james2432 at gmail.com>
To: Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca>
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Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names
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Nice work, I forgot to mention that removing City Of makes bilingual
procesaing easier too. As you wont have "Ville de City of Toronto"

On Feb 16, 2018 12:43 PM, "Matthew Darwin" <matthew at mdarwin.ca> wrote:

> To start the cleanup process, the following *Ontario* cities are being
> changed (remove "City of" or "City Of").   Once that is done, I'll come
> back with the next batch to process...
>
> The idea to remove the city name in its entirety will require careful
> consideration to ensure the necessary boundary relations are in place and
> of course more discussion to see if people are comfortable to proceed on
> that kind of activity.
>
>  110707 City of Toronto
>   45716 City of Hamilton
>   27234 City of London
>   25393 City of Brampton
>   17251 City of Vaughan
>   16929 City of St. Catharines
>   16592 City of Kawartha Lakes
>   16087 City of Thunder Bay
>   14787 City of Niagara Falls
>   13966 City of Kingston
>   12085 City of Oshawa
>   11321 City of Barrie
>   10981 City of Burlington
>   10347 City of Guelph
>    9666 City of Brantford
>    9384 City of Sarnia
>    9102 City of Windsor
>    9044 City Of Sault Ste. Marie
>    8263 City of Peterborough
>    7819 City of Quinte West
>    7593 City of Welland
>    6753 City of Pickering
>    6608 City of Greater Sudbury
>    6375 City Of Greater Sudbury
>    6239 City of Belleville
>    6165 City of Prince Edward County
>    5696 City of Cornwall
>    5269 City Of Timmins
>    4877 City of Port Colborne
>    4208 City of Woodstock
>    3971 City of Thorold
>    3692 City of St. Thomas
>    3603 City of Cambridge
>    3529 City of Orillia
>    3355 City of Brockville
>    3098 City of Owen Sound
>    2733 City of Clarence-Rockland
>    2377 City Of Pembroke
>    1549 City Of Dryden
>     871 City of Kenora
>     766 City Of Elliot Lake
>     544 City of Elliot Lake
>     302 City of Waterloo
>     241 City of North Bay
>      78 City of Kitchener
>      47 City of Markham
>      18 City of Timmins
>       3 City of Vaughan (Maple)
>       2 City of Sault Ste. Marie
>
>
>
> On 2018-02-12 09:13 PM, Kevin Farrugia wrote:
>
> Bernie is correct.  "City of", "Municipality of", "x County" is a legal
> name that would be referring to the legal entity itself (the Government)
> rather than the place.  The place should just be Toronto, Hamilton,
> Mississauga etc..
>
> The data source these legal names comes from has the legal name as it's
> usually establishing the jurisdiction that contains the road.  The address
> ranges are derived from the road system, so it's just been copied over.
>
> -Kevin Farrugia
> kevinfarrugia at gmail.com
>
> On 12 February 2018 at 21:02, Bernie Connors <bernie.connors at unb.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> I see the use of "City of" as indicating the official name of a
>> municipality as it is defined in legislation. Here in New Brunswick the
>> Municipalities Act‎ defines the official names of municipalities. Some opt
>> to use "City of ", "Town of ", etc in the Municipalities Act and some
>> don't. But when it comes to names on maps we should be more concerned with
>> toponyms and not official names. The use of "City of ", "Town of ", etc is
>> very rare in toponyms.  Here is a query on the Canadian Geographic Names
>> Database searching for the term "of" in the "populated places" category -
>> http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/search?q=of&
>> theme%5B%5D=985&category=O
>>
>> I only see two examples that include "City of ", "Town of ", etc across
>> the entire country:
>> City of Brant, ON
>> Village of Queen Charlotte, BC
>>
>> Bernie.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:45 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea <
>> steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I smell a harmonization with admin_level...not that there's anything
>>> wrong with that.
>>> SteveA
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Talk-ca at openstreetmap.org
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bernie Connors
>> New Maryland, NB
>>
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