[Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[James]

All that documentation was produced by Cycle Ottawa data devision. So by
cyclists for cyclists

On Jan 23, 2018 6:30 PM, "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The SOTM presentation was interesting.  Especially the bit about the 5%
> who would cycle anyway and these are often the people who are asked about
> what should be done to improve things for cyclists.  Are we asking the
> wrong people?
>
> I think we need to identify what tags would be useful for routing purposes
> and to identify which standard tags we can use.
>
> For example a nearby road has a cycle lane sort of depending how you
> define it.  It does appear on the city's cycling maps but isn't snowplowed
> in winter and is not formally signed to provincial standards.  It's Merkley
> Drive K4A 1M7 if you want to look at it.  It used to be in Cumberland but
> got amalgamated into the City of Ottawa.  There are other cycle lanes in
> the City of Ottawa that do not meet provincial standards.
>
> Traffic volumes would be nice but how do you estimate them or obtain them
> via Open Data perhaps? The City of Ottawa probably has the data and we are
> cleared to incorporate it into OSM.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 23 January 2018 at 17:15, Harald Kliems <kliems at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:56 PM john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps what we need is a way to tag cycle friendly streets.  Typically
>>> I'll use a mixture of minor side streets and paths when using the trike.
>>>
>>> So I'd prefer a routing that used these as much as possible rather than
>>> more major collector roads and you can't always determine from the speed
>>> limit if it's a cycle friendly road or not although I too avoid highways
>>> with a speed limit above 40 km/h.
>>>
>> There are efforts to identify bike-friendly streets based on OSM
>> attributes (and possibly additional data such as traffic counts). People
>> for Bikes, a large industry-sponsored advocacy org in the US has put money
>> forward to take the concept of "Traffic level of stress" and then use
>> OSM-data to calculate whether a specific street and intersection is
>> low-stress or high-stress. You can find a SOTM-US talk about the "Bicycle
>> Network Analaysis" project here: https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>> program/bicycle-network-analysis.html
>>
>> https://bna.peopleforbikes.org/#/
>>
>> The bike advocacy group I'm involved with here in Madison (WI) has been
>> using the map/data generated through the Bicycle Network Analysis process,
>> and we're working on a validation process to a) figure out where our local
>> knowledge disagrees with the calculated stress value and then b) figure out
>> whether that's an issue of the underlying OSM data (spoiler alert: in many
>> cases it is) or a different issue. Happy to answer any questions about this.
>>
>>  Harald (formerly Montreal, and therefore still subscribed to talk-ca)
>>
>
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