[Talk-ca] A message aimed more at Ottawa

[john whelan]

But it doesn't address traffic volumes or speed limits.  Should we tag
speed limits?

Cheerio John

On 23 January 2018 at 18:38, James <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:

> All that documentation was produced by Cycle Ottawa data devision. So by
> cyclists for cyclists
>
> On Jan 23, 2018 6:30 PM, "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The SOTM presentation was interesting.  Especially the bit about the 5%
>> who would cycle anyway and these are often the people who are asked about
>> what should be done to improve things for cyclists.  Are we asking the
>> wrong people?
>>
>> I think we need to identify what tags would be useful for routing
>> purposes and to identify which standard tags we can use.
>>
>> For example a nearby road has a cycle lane sort of depending how you
>> define it.  It does appear on the city's cycling maps but isn't snowplowed
>> in winter and is not formally signed to provincial standards.  It's Merkley
>> Drive K4A 1M7 if you want to look at it.  It used to be in Cumberland but
>> got amalgamated into the City of Ottawa.  There are other cycle lanes in
>> the City of Ottawa that do not meet provincial standards.
>>
>> Traffic volumes would be nice but how do you estimate them or obtain them
>> via Open Data perhaps? The City of Ottawa probably has the data and we are
>> cleared to incorporate it into OSM.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 23 January 2018 at 17:15, Harald Kliems <kliems at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:56 PM john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perhaps what we need is a way to tag cycle friendly streets.  Typically
>>>> I'll use a mixture of minor side streets and paths when using the trike.
>>>>
>>>> So I'd prefer a routing that used these as much as possible rather than
>>>> more major collector roads and you can't always determine from the speed
>>>> limit if it's a cycle friendly road or not although I too avoid highways
>>>> with a speed limit above 40 km/h.
>>>>
>>> There are efforts to identify bike-friendly streets based on OSM
>>> attributes (and possibly additional data such as traffic counts). People
>>> for Bikes, a large industry-sponsored advocacy org in the US has put money
>>> forward to take the concept of "Traffic level of stress" and then use
>>> OSM-data to calculate whether a specific street and intersection is
>>> low-stress or high-stress. You can find a SOTM-US talk about the "Bicycle
>>> Network Analaysis" project here: https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>>> program/bicycle-network-analysis.html
>>>
>>> https://bna.peopleforbikes.org/#/
>>>
>>> The bike advocacy group I'm involved with here in Madison (WI) has been
>>> using the map/data generated through the Bicycle Network Analysis process,
>>> and we're working on a validation process to a) figure out where our local
>>> knowledge disagrees with the calculated stress value and then b) figure out
>>> whether that's an issue of the underlying OSM data (spoiler alert: in many
>>> cases it is) or a different issue. Happy to answer any questions about this.
>>>
>>>  Harald (formerly Montreal, and therefore still subscribed to talk-ca)
>>>
>>
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