[Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

Sun Jan 28 18:57:17 UTC 2018

license is federal, cities must modify it to apply to municipal, thus
creating new license

On Jan 28, 2018 1:52 PM, "Jonathan Brown" <jonabrow at gmail.com> wrote:

> If we have a description of the scope of the work involved in updating the
> BC2020 OD tables, I don’t mind trying to find some senior students who
> could be trained to take on this task for locations in Ontario. It would be
> a very small start, of course. Also, can someone explain to me the
> licensing issue? How do datasets released under the open government license
> not meet the legal requirements of the OSM license?
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> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:41:23 -0800
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> From: OSM Volunteer stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com>
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> To: "Stewart C. Russell" <scruss at gmail.com>, talk-ca
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> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status
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> On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:12 PM, Stewart C. Russell <scruss at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On 2018-01-26 09:56 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote:
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> >> What I did was to "back-populate" the list of "approved" (by whom?
> when?  how did these get here?) list of Canadian cities from
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> >> https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Contributors#Canadian_Municipalities into
> OSM's BC2020 wiki.
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> > These are very old and pre-date the formal import documentation process.
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> > The Toronto permission e-mail from 2011 or so amounted to not much more
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> > than “Sure ;-)” [smiley included in original]. I don't think the process
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> OK, so "correct" is to immediately remove from https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/
> Contributors#Canadian_Municipalities EVERY SINGLE CITY (except Ottawa).
> If it was an error to list them then, (that's what I read above) it is an
> error to list them now.  Anyone with an OSM wiki account can do this — and
> now, someone should, preferably someone in Canada with a sense of ownership
> that this process of entering additional Canadian cities into Contributors
> went awry.  This could be a majority of people reading this post:  any
> takers?
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> > Unfortunately, none of us are lawyers, the OSMF's lawyers are very busy
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> > and naturally conservative, and slogging through licence work (and
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> > myriad outdated wiki pages) is no fun for anyone, least of all
> volunteers.
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> Some of us are lawyers (I'm not), though any OSM volunteer should strive
> to "do the right things," especially in matters related to "proper
> licensing."  Proper OD licensing is one task which has emerged as an
> "obstacle" (so documented in WikiProject BC2020) from the desire to see
> continuing project forward momentum.
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> To go forward, if wiki pages are outdated (and Stewart says above that
> they are), well, please update outdated wiki pages.  You don't have to be a
> lawyer to do that, especially as the data are known to be outdated or
> wrong.  "Slogging through license work," partly DOES require being a lawyer
> (at least within OSM's LWG) and for the project to go forward, yes, that is
> a longer-term task to complete.  (I hesitate to say "slog," though it may
> be one).
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> I offer to "change from green to red" wiki table status for all cities
> (except Ottawa), although I'd also like to see Contributors be updated
> (with only Ottawa) as I suggest.  Teamwork, anybody?  Simply to keep our
> project-wide communication current?  It's neither difficult nor
> time-consuming and shares present status with "the rest of us."
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> We may not have brilliant ignition here, but at least the embers are
> orange and warm.  Though, after many lungfuls by me, I'm getting a bit
> dizzy stoking these fires.
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