[Talk-ca] Building import in BC and Quebec

[Nate Wessel]

Given the scale of this illicit import (thanks Pierre for the stats!), I 
would, yes, stick my neck out and say that I oppose this action as a 
Canadian mapper. Contributors who are clearly violating community norms 
about discussion and consensus do not constitute an implicit consensus 
of some local community. In the absence of a healthy local discussion 
about this, I think it's up to us to say that this needs to stop.

The tasking manager for this project should be taken down immediately. 
Whether they strictly need it to continue or not, they are (ab)using it 
and it's clearly helping them continue with an import that is being 
actively disputed.

Nate Wessel
Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning
NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com>

On 3/15/19 8:28 AM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
> IMO the huron/hamptonavemapper import is quite clearly in active
> disagreement with the import suspension - while I could believe that
> one user could overlook clicking on the wiki link in their changeset
> messages just once and seeing the bold "on hold", setting up a brand
> new similarly named account on February 15, 2019 and immediately
> starting to import suggests they know what they're doing. And it's not
> like one ultimately _needs_ the tasking manager to insert the data.
>
> The question is what are we going to do about it? Are you going to
> speak for Alberta and BC in opposing this import, Nate? That's
> defensible but also debatable.
>
> --Jarek
>
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 21:12, Nate Wessel <bike756 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would suggest, again, that the tasking manager for this import be locked or taken down if that is not possible. One good way to stop people from importing when we don't have consensus is to not make it so easy for them. Indeed, I would find it plausible if these people said they didn't even know the import was paused - their evidence: that the tasking manager is still active!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Nate Wessel
>> Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning
>> NateWessel.com
>>
>> On 3/14/19 7:42 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
>>
>> The changeset comment messages link to the Stats Canada import plan on
>> the OSM wiki.
>>
>> I missed it but there were also some edits in Alberta. Quebec edits I
>> saw were only a couple, outside of Quebec.
>>
>> http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/148 has also been updated, and the
>> Alberta tasks.
>>
>> It does raise the point that with a country this large, with editor
>> community this sparse, there are very few ways to enforce or police a
>> countrywide consensus, or even arrive at one. Maybe BC mappers like
>> the import, square angles or no? (Does anyone go to the Metrotown
>> Meetup?)
>>
>> --Jarek
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 19:36, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wicked lad importing without an import plan?
>>
>> Ask him nicely where the import plan for their imports is.
>>
>> Looks like a new mapper so may not know the rules.
>>
>> I think currently there are two sets of data that are licensed for import, the Stats Can stuff and the Microsoft stuff.  I haven't seen any import plan for the Microsoft stuff but unfortunately it's probably fairly easy to import on the Stats Can side my feeling is we need to work out who the locals are to get buy in since Canada wide there is no consensus on what is acceptable.  After a request from a local group then I think that particular area can proceed.
>>
>> Quebec I think is being organised by Tim.
>>
>> Thanks John
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 18:56, Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Are people aware that there are buildings being imported by
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/huronavemapper (most recent 12
>> hours ago) and https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/hamptonavemapper
>> (most recent 5 days ago)?
>>
>> I notice the wiki still says the import is on hold.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Jarek
>>
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