[Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Tue Sep 10 11:54:14 UTC 2019


Looks good to me and if Matthew has cast his eye over it and not spotted
anything major then I think we can safely say Ottawa is happy with it.

Cheerio John

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 9:57 PM Pierre Béland via Talk-ca, <
talk-ca at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Cela semble bien préciser, mais les collègues d'Ontario pourront mieux
> répondre.
>
> Pierre
>
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>
> Le lun., sept. 9 2019 à 3:11 PM, Jarek Piórkowski
> <jarek at piorkowski.ca> a écrit :
> Hi Pierre,
>
> (I responded via email at first, but realized one more thing, so
> adding on and sending to talk-ca:)
>
> The proposed wiki addition does start with "In Ontario". However
> thanks bringing this up, as I realized I forgot to account for parts
> of Ontario where streets will be named in French - this change should
> not apply to those.
>
> I am changing the suggested wording to:
>
>     In parts of **Ontario** that primarily name streets in English,
> street and road names containing initial "St." or "St" should only be
> expanded to "Saint" when "Saint" is common usage for that street. To
> be clear, this overrides the general rule
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29
> for "St." which does not stand for "street". As with other names in
> OSM, factors you might want to consider when determining common usage
> include spellings posted on street signs ("on the ground" rule),
> spellings used in local media, GeoBase street name data, and spellings
> used by official municipal sources including open data datasets. See
> discussion on talk-ca [0].
>
> Would this wording be fine for Ottawa and other bilingual areas, or am
> I missing a pitfall?
>
> Thanks,
> --Jarek
>
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 08:51, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >
> > Marek
> >
> > Ces instructions ne s'appliquent pas à toutes les provinces. Il faudrait
> donc indiquer sur la page wiki à quelles provinces elles s'appliquent
> >
> > Pierre
> >
> > Envoyé à partir de Yahoo Courriel sur Android
> >
> > Le lun., sept. 9 2019 à 2:51 AM, Jarek Piórkowski
> > <jarek at piorkowski.ca> a écrit :
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm following up on the thread about saints and lack thereof in street
> > names from a couple of months ago (see archives [1] [2]).
> >
> > I would like to suggest the following wording added to Canadian
> > tagging guidelines at
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Street_names
> > :
> >
> >    In Ontario, street and road names containing initial "St." or "St"
> > should only be expanded to "Saint" when "Saint" is common usage for
> > that street. To be clear, this overrides the general rule
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29
> > for "St." which does not stand for "street". As with other names in
> > OSM, factors you might want to consider when determining common usage
> > include spellings posted on street signs ("on the ground" rule),
> > spellings used in local media, GeoBase street name data, and spellings
> > used by official municipal sources including open data datasets. See
> > discussion on talk-ca [0].
> >
> > where [0] would be a link to this message/thread archive. (Comments on
> > the wording and suggestions appreciated!)
> >
> > Is anyone opposed to this change?
> >
> > I have attempted to advertise/announce this proposed change. This was:
> > - posted in this mailing list in March/April of this year (some quoted
> > below, see list archives for more discussion)
> > - I posted a note https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1741334 in
> > Toronto with a link to this thread (supportive responses from Kevo and
> > DannyMcD)
> > - on April 10, sent a message [2] with a link to the note to editors
> > who were showing up as top editors on
> > http://osmstats.neis-one.org/?item=countries&country=Canada
> > (they aren't necessarily representative of the community, but it's
> > really the closest we can reasonably do given our current tooling) [3]
> > (no private message responses)
> > - posted on OSM Canada Slack on 17 August
> > https://osm-ca.slack.com/archives/CASP8UQNT/p1566053199044200
> > (supportive responses from Matthew Darwin and Eric Geiler)
> > - on August 27, sent a few more private messages to editors in top 50
> > on the stats page who had done Ontario edits [4] (no private message
> > responses)
> >
> > If you know of anyone else who might have a further opinion on this,
> > please forward as possible.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --Jarek
> >
> >
>
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