[Talk-ca] Fwd: Fwd: Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec

[Jherome Miguel]

I’m very sorry for the word. I’m still new here, and I feel I’m helpless.

My original intention for starting this thread is fixing how exits are
tagged in Ontario and Quebec, much like what was done five years ago by the
Mapbox team. Actually, your fellow Ontario and Quebec mappers have been
cleaning things up until Mapbox came in, but, those positive changes have
been undone one year after.

As for the wiki, its primary role is documentation. It’s an authoritative
source for how to tag things in OSM, but I have read many times in places
like the tagging mailing list the wiki is not the final arbiter on how
things are done in OSM. In several pages, there are also disclaimers.
Unfortunately,
a lot of us take the wiki for granted as their primary authority for
mapping wisdom.

All those said, I stand by the proposal to remove those “names” for the
reasons of tagging of the renderer, redundancy, clutter and the references
to “[road/destination] exit” being a description than a name.

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 8:41 PM john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I hate to say this but the wiki is not the authority.  It is what someone
> has written in the wiki.
>
> There have been times when two wiki enteries have contridicted each other
> and times when a wiki entry does not follow what has been done.
>
> Using the term clique doesn't help your case in trying to persuade
> others.  It might even put people's backs up which is not what you are
> trying to do or at least I assume so.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, 9:59 PM Jherome Miguel, <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 7:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and
>> Quebec
>> To: talk-ph <talk-ph at openstreetmap.org>
>>
>>
>> The issue with what that clique has been doing with Ontario and Quebec
>> highway exits is not only tagging for the renderer, but also not following
>> best tagging practices followed elsewhere. For exits, most of Canada
>> generally observing the practices documented at
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Exit_Info. Also there is a note
>> about the use of name=* for highway=motorway_junction, which I quote
>> here:
>>
>>
>>    - name=* for the name of the junction or interchange. Do not confuse
>>    the *name of a junction* with the *destination(s) the junction *leads
>>    to. In most cases worldwide, sign information describes destinations,
>>    not the name of the junction or interchange itself. If a signpost or
>>    indication displays destinations exclusively, this data belongs
>>    to destination=* tags, *not* the name=* of the highway=motorway_junction
>>    node.
>>
>>
>> In this case, the names in the exits are not an innocent mistake, but a
>> problematic tagging practice perpetuated by a small group of mappers. Add
>> to the problem is that name=* is rendered at the main map layer, further
>> encouraging some mappers to tag destinations as “names” just for the render
>> result.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 6:48 PM john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It is normally politeness to ask someone if they are happy if emails
>>> sent between two people is to be shared more generally.  My comments might
>>> have been slightly different in view of the different audience.
>>>
>>> To recap we have determined that you are not local to Ontario or
>>> Quebec.  The local mappers who have commented are not in agreement with
>>> your thoughts.
>>>
>>> In OSM the authority is the consensus of the local mappers.
>>>
>>> and to recap your problem is?
>>>
>>> Thanks John
>>>
>>> On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 at 20:34, Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ngah, should have replied to all. Not just you.
>>>>
>>>> Talk-ca at openstreetmap.org
>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
>>>>
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