[Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec
James
james2432 at gmail.com
Tue May 11 01:37:09 UTC 2021
la sortie numéro x
or
la sortie trois-rivières
depends if the exit is named or not on signs
On Mon., May 10, 2021, 2:57 p.m. Jherome Miguel, <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
wrote:
> It may not be a tagging for the renderer issue, but it also has something
> to do with Ontarians saying “(road name) exit” instead of “exit (number)”
> as in Western Canada. Don't know how do Québécois refer to autoroute exits.
>
>
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>> 1. Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec
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>> 2. Re: Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec
>> (James)
>> 3. Re: Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec
>> (Jarek Piórkowski)
>> 4. Re: Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec
>> (Pierre Béland)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 14:30:55 -0600
>> From: Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
>> To: "talk-ca at openstreetmap.org" <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: [Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and
>> Quebec
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>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about dealing
>> with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and Quebec that
>> use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be tagged on
>> the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these out in
>> places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA, the
>> 401
>> around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of the
>> Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of these
>> that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes of
>> Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen. Some
>> of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others. Most of
>> these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around
>> Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.
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>> Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 16:44:03 -0400
>> From: James <james2432 at gmail.com>
>> To: Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario
>> and Quebec
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>> I think we were following this convention:
>>
>>
>> https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/
>>
>> On Sat., May 8, 2021, 4:34 p.m. Jherome Miguel, <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> > I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about dealing
>> > with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and Quebec
>> that
>> > use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be tagged
>> on
>> > the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these out in
>> > places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA, the
>> 401
>> > around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of the
>> > Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of
>> these
>> > that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes of
>> > Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen.
>> Some
>> > of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others. Most
>> of
>> > these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around
>> > Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 19:35:09 -0400
>> From: Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca>
>> To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario
>> and Quebec
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>> Unfortunately It's a pretty usual OSM problem... editors are at fault
>> for tagging for the renderer, and osm-carto is arguably at fault for
>> rendering name=* on exit nodes. [1]
>>
>> Tagging destination as name of node gets pretty unwieldy with names
>> like "Kipling Avenue;Islington Avenue;Park Lawn Road", but other than
>> the ref, name is the only tag that renders, so in it goes...
>>
>> Personally I agree with not having the destinations in the name, but
>> it might be a bit of an uphill battle here - be sure it's one you want
>> to spend your energy on.
>>
>>
>> [1] I think the initial idea in Europe was that this would be used for
>> junctions that actually have names like "Denham Interchange" or
>> "Dreieck Barnim" ("Freeman Interchange" is one I know of in Ontario).
>> >From my Canadian point of view these would be better on a
>> locality-style node in the middle of the junction, or a relation
>> containing the junction nodes, not tagged on several exit nodes. But
>> that's not really a thing, so here we are.
>>
>> --Jarek
>>
>> On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 16:47, James <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think we were following this convention:
>> >
>> >
>> https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/
>> >
>> > On Sat., May 8, 2021, 4:34 p.m. Jherome Miguel, <
>> jheromemiguel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello everyone,
>> >>
>> >> I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about
>> dealing with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and
>> Quebec that use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be
>> tagged on the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these
>> out in places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA,
>> the 401 around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of
>> the Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of
>> these that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes
>> of Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen.
>> Some of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others.
>> Most of these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around
>> Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 23:44:26 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
>> To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>, Jarek
>> Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario
>> and Quebec
>> Message-ID: <1675098644.3035519.1620517466229 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>> Je penses que nous sommes tous d'accord la-dessus. J'ai fait de
>> nombreuses modifications autour de Montréal, mais malheuresement oui il y a
>> constamment des contributeurs qui observent ailleurs et ajoutent le nom sur
>> le noeud de la jonction avec la sortie. Si quelqu'un à la patience ...
>>
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>>
>> Le samedi 8 mai 2021 19 h 37 min 38 s UTC−4, Jarek Piórkowski <
>> jarek at piorkowski.ca> a écrit :
>>
>> Unfortunately It's a pretty usual OSM problem... editors are at fault
>> for tagging for the renderer, and osm-carto is arguably at fault for
>> rendering name=* on exit nodes. [1]
>>
>> Tagging destination as name of node gets pretty unwieldy with names
>> like "Kipling Avenue;Islington Avenue;Park Lawn Road", but other than
>> the ref, name is the only tag that renders, so in it goes...
>>
>> Personally I agree with not having the destinations in the name, but
>> it might be a bit of an uphill battle here - be sure it's one you want
>> to spend your energy on.
>>
>>
>> [1] I think the initial idea in Europe was that this would be used for
>> junctions that actually have names like "Denham Interchange" or
>> "Dreieck Barnim" ("Freeman Interchange" is one I know of in Ontario).
>> >From my Canadian point of view these would be better on a
>> locality-style node in the middle of the junction, or a relation
>> containing the junction nodes, not tagged on several exit nodes. But
>> that's not really a thing, so here we are.
>>
>> --Jarek
>>
>> On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 16:47, James <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think we were following this convention:
>> >
>> >
>> https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/
>> >
>> > On Sat., May 8, 2021, 4:34 p.m. Jherome Miguel, <
>> jheromemiguel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello everyone,
>> >>
>> >> I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about
>> dealing with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and
>> Quebec that use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be
>> tagged on the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these
>> out in places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA,
>> the 401 around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of
>> the Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of
>> these that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes
>> of Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen.
>> Some of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others.
>> Most of these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around
>> Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Talk-ca mailing list
>> >> Talk-ca at openstreetmap.org
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