[Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec

[John Whelan]

Just a comment on a wiki entry, it is one person normally who has 
written this and it may or may not reflect either reality or the consensus.

Cheerio John

Julian Loke wrote on 5/10/2021 8:35 PM:
> Hi List,
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Exit_Info#Canada
>
> The wiki recommends as best practice the use of "node and way" tagging
>
> Several examples from Canada with accompanying photos of the signage demonstrate the use of
> ref= on the node, with destination= and destination:ref= and junction:ref on the way.
>
> Sincerely
> Julian Loke
>
>
> On May 10, 2021 3:19:15 p.m. PDT, Andrew Deng via Talk-ca <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>> Ontario is like California when it comes to signing exit numbers; it's
>> very inconsistent. Some freeways do not have exit numbers at all
>> (Highway 409, Highway 427 although it's getting them very soon), and a
>> lot of them did not have any until very recently like the Gardiner and
>> DVP. This is why we refer to exits by their names.
>> --
>>   
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021, 06:05:59 p.m. EDT, Jherome Miguel
>> <jheromemiguel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's not only a problem in 400-series highway, Toronto expressway and
>> Quebec autoroute exits. I have also seen "names" on interchanges and
>> right-in, right-outs on other Ontario highways like Highway 11 between
>> Barrie and North Bay, and Highway 115 between Newcastle and
>> Peterborough, as well as other freeway and expressway-grade roads
>> elsewhere (e.g. part of Highbury Ave connecting with the 401 in London,
>> the Red Hill Valley Parkway around Hamilton).
>> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 3:46 PM Jherome Miguel
>> <jheromemiguel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, those "names" are largely map clutter especially in urban areas
>> and where multiple values are used. There is no problem with navigation
>> instructions, and it's becoming clear "names" are mostly an attempt to
>> make exit destinations visible at the expense of other information,
>> especially at closer zoom levels.
>> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 3:04 PM Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Jherome,
>> Si je compares l'autoroute 417 vers Ottawa, j'observe les même
>> conventions qu'au Québec pour numéroter les sorties en km à partir du
>> début de l'autoroute (Frontière du Québec pour la 417).  L'ajout du nom
>> sur la node de la sortie est de toute évidence pour le rendu, mais au
>> détriment de tous les autres éléments. Cela rend difficile de repérer
>> le no. de sortie et en milieu urbain ces noms de lieux encombrent la
>> carte rendant illisible le reste.
>> Lorsque je donne des instructions à quelqu'un je donne toujours les
>> instructions
>> 1. le no. de sortie ( node highway motorway_junction )
>> 2. ensuite suivre en direction de tel lieu ou route ( chemin highway
>> motorway_link, destination ...  )
>>
>> Et c'est ce que font les outils de navigation. Ils indiquent d'abord le
>> no. de sortie ( node highway motorway_junction) et ensuite le nom de la
>> destination sur bretelle de sortie, là où doivent apparaitre les noms
>> ( chemin highway motorway_link ).
>>
>>   
>> Pierre
>>
>>
>> Le lundi 10 mai 2021 14 h 55 min 48 s UTC−4, Jherome Miguel
>> <jheromemiguel at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>> It may not be a tagging for the renderer issue, but it also has
>> something to do with Ontarians saying “(road name) exit” instead of
>> “exit (number)” as in Western Canada. Don't know how do Québécois refer
>> to autoroute exits.
>>
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