[Talk-ca] Feedback requested on provincial highway shield designs

[Andrew Deng]

Ontario would probably be the most complicated province to do...
Firstly, as Mr. Nelson mentioned, the two differing designs for Ontario road shields: the normal one used for reassurance markers and the crown version used at junctions. Personally I'd be for using the crowns since they're the ones at junctions and therefore the ones most useful for navigation, but I feel like it'll be better if the mapping community was consulted before making a decision.
Not to mention that we also have shields for some municipal expressways (Toronto and Hamilton come to mind), as well as different shields for the 2 toll freeways (the private 407 ETR and Highway 407). This in addition to the QEW, as Mr. Nelson mentioned.
Secondly, we have a system of county routes, that essentially serve the same purpose as lower-tiered provincial systems in every other province (and are also equivalent to Ontario's Secondary/Tertiary Highways in areas that don't have a county-level government, mostly in the North). All of them have the same flowerpot shield design, however some counties/regions have their own colour scheme: for example green and yellow in Halton Region, or blue and white for Grey County, Hamilton, and Niagara Region. Whether or not to include such palette differences is another question that probably should be discussed (personally I'd support doing that). 
As well, Durham Region in particular also differentiates between County Roads and County Highways... which might be a problem because the only difference on the shield design is the wording. But the numbers do overlap (e.g. there is a Durham County Road 2 AND Durham County Highway 2, two completely separate roads). Not sure how that's going to be solved.
Also another "weird" shield to mention: Loyalist Parkway, which is signed alongside Highway 33 and County Road 33, idk if that's also something that would be added, but just to make sure you're aware that exists. I'm not personally aware of any other such "weird" shields but there might possibly be more?
Side question: Are signed cycling routes within the scope of this project? For example, the Waterfront Trail also is signed with a shield like a vehicle route, but it's mainly for cycling




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Andrew

 

    On Saturday, April 9, 2022, 09:42:33 p.m. EDT, David E. Nelson via Talk-ca <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org> wrote:  
 
 For the King's Highway's in Ontario, you might want to use a simplification of the crown design found on <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ontario_Highway_crowns>.  Make sure the icon for the QEW is a gold crown with a blue outline, while the other icons are white crowns with black outlines.
- David E. Nelson
On Apr. 9, 2022 15:49, Clay Smalley <claysmalley at gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you all for the valuable feedback! I've made a couple changes, and they've been approved and merged.
I now have three more provinces out for review:
Prince Edward Island: https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/pull/273Nova Scotia: https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/pull/274New Brunswick: https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/pull/275
Please let me know how they look, especially if you're from these provinces. Are they recognizable? Are the simplifications too much?
-Clay

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 6:26 PM Clay Smalley <claysmalley at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Canadians,
I've been working my way through adding your highway shields to OpenStreetMap-Americana. So far, we've already done:
☑️ Alberta: https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/pull/227☑️ Yukon: https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/pull/252☑️ Northwest Territories: https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/pull/255
 I currently have pull requests out for three provinces:
🔲 British Columbia: https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/pull/269🔲 Saskatchewan: https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/pull/271🔲 Manitoba: https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/pull/272
What are your thoughts? How do you feel about the colours, the geometry, the simplifications? Are these recognizable, or do they deviate from real-life shields too much?
Feel free to reply here by email, or on the pull requests themselves.

-Clay



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