[Talk-ca] Road name edits in Canada

[john whelan]

I seem to recall it took five years after I identified the licensing issue
with a Treasury Board before they sorted out the licence and another two
years before we managed to get the City of Ottawa to adopt the new
license.  Stats came along part way through and were helpful in bringing it
all together.  It also involved the Open Data group at Carleton University
who identified data sets that could be used amongest other things.

Cheerio John

On Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 9:51 PM john whelan, <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I worked with stats Canada and the open data group within Federal
> government and with the city of Ottawa.
>
> The project was importing buildings into OSM, basically we had the Federal
> Government's licence together with the City of Ottawa's licence approved by
> the legal working group.  This was after both the Federal government and
> the city of Ottawa changed their licence to the new present one after it
> had been identified that both old licences were not suitable for import.
>
> The City of Ottawa's licence is virtually the same as the Federal
> government one other than a few minor differences since one was a
> municipality and one Federal government.
>
> The people I worked with at Stats were releasing data through the Federal
> government open data portal which has the full Federal government open data
> licence.  They may have released data through another portal with a
> different licence but anything released through the central open data
> portal is correctly licenced.  I understand CANVEC for example is now
> covered by this license.
>
> It should be noted that a lot of effort went into ensuring the licences
> were acceptable.
>
> I understand that Toronto's licence was submitted but I haven't followed
> who submitted it or how it got on.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 21:27 Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hello Andy,
>>
>> Regarding the licences themselves:
>>
>> Recent Statistics Canada data appears to be released under a
>> "Statistics Canada Open Licence" which can be found at
>> https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/reference/licence. As far as I know this
>> has not been approved for importing to OSM. I do not know whether the
>> editor's activities would be considered an "import" or if the licence
>> is compatible for non-import use. The OSM wiki at
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada#Importing_government_data
>> does say "Statistics Canada data is used to import street names where
>> they are missing from the other data sets. It is advised to not copy
>> the geometry; however, you can use the street names database as a
>> reference. " - I did not go through the page history to find when and
>> by whom this was added.
>>
>> The "Open Government Licence – Winnipeg" is, to my understanding, not
>> a suitable OSM import data license. This is a long-standing problem
>> with Canadian open data where licences with the government unit's name
>> in their name (here "Winnipeg") are considered by OSM a different
>> licence from the Open Government Licence even if all the words other
>> than the city name are the same. As far as I know only the Ottawa
>> community has gone through the (rather slow) process of getting
>> OGL-Ottawa approved as an OSM import licence. Same question about
>> whether the edits constitute an "import" applies.
>>
>> --Jarek
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 16:53, Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello talk-ca people,
>> >
>> > Andy from the Data Working Group here.
>> >
>> > A new prolific mapper has recently popped up, adding road names in
>> > Canada and elsewhere.  It has been suggested to the DWG that many of the
>> > names used were just copied from sources that aren't licence-compatible
>> > with OSM, such as Google Maps.  Some responses to questions about map
>> > sources have been somewhat evasive (see e.g.
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119735027 ) but they now claim
>> > to be using sources such as:
>> >
>> > "City of Winnipeg Open Data Portal - Contains information licensed under
>> > the Open Government Licence – Winnipeg."
>> >
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/734204653
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > "Statistics Canada Road Network File (RNF)"
>> >
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/507685150
>> >
>> > (see https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/119761959 for more)
>> >
>> > Do these sources check out as reasonable, and licence-compatible with
>> > OSM?  Also (and actually more important) are the latest edits by this
>> > user backed up by those sources?
>> >
>> > Normally of course OSM mappers have considerable freedom to map as they
>> > wish - we take a lot on trust, and don't check that every edit that was
>> > allegedly derived from a compatible imagery source actually was and
>> > wasn't from a non-compatible source instead. Unfortunately, in the case
>> > of this mapper (see previous interactions at e.g.
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/PopeyePopcord/blocks and
>> > https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/119735027 ) I think we need to have
>> > a soupçon of skepticism.
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> >
>> >
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