[Talk-ca] First Nations reserve naming

[Amos Hayes]

Hi folks. I lurk on this list and am not an active OSM mapper but I do a
lot of work with Indigenous Peoples on mapping of their lands and agree
with "stevea" that it ought to be a case by case thing and any mass changes
are probably not capturing the local naming unless the source data being
applied has been created that way.

The language and terminology used can be very important and context
sensitive. For example, the term First Nations as used in Canada refers
only to specific Indigenous Peoples. Other Indigenous Peoples in Canada are
Inuit and Métis. See https://www.afn.ca/about-afn/ for some additional
information from the Assembly of First Nations. And if you are even more
curious, there is a good blog post and links to other resources at
https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/indigenous-peoples-terminology-guidelines-for-usage

I'm happy to provide more information or to help research or connect to
appropriate sources. Feel free to drop me a line.

--
Amos Hayes
Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre
Carleton University, Canada
https://gcrc.carleton.ca
ahayes at gcrc.carleton.ca

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 04:18 stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:

> I am very aware and sensitive that the USA and Canada are quite different
> from one another, as are many of these "reservations" and "tribes" (and
> "bands").  Yet, I am a USA-based OSM contributor who happens to subscribe
> to talk-ca, so here I am.  And while far from being any sort of expert, I
> also helped to "ease into" the current transition of tagging these several
> years ago (with some talk posts, off-list emails, wiki written and
> consensus forged) with others who wanted to "get this right:"  this can be
> either the newer boundary=aboriginal_lands or the older (a bit more
> popular, last time I looked, but things change...) boundary=protected_area
> + protection_class=24.  Either is fine, though the question here is about
> the name=* tag.
>
> Scattered across the USA, I see both styles like "Round Valley Indian
> Reservation," "Yakama Indian Reservation" and "Quinault Reservation" AS
> WELL AS "Cheyenne-Arapaho Tribes," Muscogee (Creek) Nation" and "Quapaw
> Tribe."
>
> I agree with John, his (to use the name of the reserve) seems a considered
> opinion and I lean towards it with him.  However, if a local tribe wishes
> to name theirs "...Tribe" or "...Nation" I certainly nod my head and do not
> object.
>
> BTW, if I don't offend anybody by saying so, I find the Canadian choice of
> phrase "First Nations" to be a "seemingly" more-sensitive and respectful
> wording (than "Indian Reservation"), although I am told by some Native
> American friends of mine that all of "Native American" and "Indian" and
> "Indian Reservation" are acceptable wordings for those entities (in a USA
> context, anyway).  Some people prefer this or that, but these names /
> phrases are workable monikers for the people, the tribes, the areas.  It's
> good to be sensitive to what is "best practice" or "the preferred local
> choice," and it may come down to "what local people use" in most cases — or
> maybe even every single case.
>
> If somebody is going around and doing a large number of edits based on
> something specious, it's likely erroneous and probably should be stopped
> and reverted.  Again, I think this is a one-at-a-time to consider,
> case-by-case.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> > On Dec 2, 2022, at 12:51 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > My feeling is it should be the name of the reserve.
> >
> > Cheerio John
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 1:11 AM Michael Stark, <michael60634 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > How should First Nations reserves be named? Is it best to use the name
> of the reserve, or the name of the group that inhabits the reserve? I've
> noticed that two mappers changed the names of many reserves across Canada,
> and even the US, from the name of the reserve to the name of the tribe
> inhabiting the reserve.
>
>
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