[Talk-ca] What do I poutine the name tag of a road with a suffix?

[john whelan]

I would also support the view that the locals are the ones who should
decide.

Cheerio John

On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 10:14 PM Jarek Piórkowski, <jarek at piorkowski.ca>
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I am pretty astounded by the suggestion here.
>
> Is the suggestion seriously to use a dataset put together by the federal
> government to override provincial and local norms, because some non-local
> mappers 3000 km away think that's more correct?
>
> Can anyone think of community issues, political issues, or for that matter
> even practical issues with this suggestion?
>
> I went to spot-check and it took me a couple of minutes to find an area of
> Montréal where NRN linked by Pierre is different from data we have in OSM.
> You can see
> https://search.open.canada.ca/openmap/3d282116-e556-400c-9306-ca1a3cada77f
> to use a web viewer and zoom in on area of boulevard Pie-IX and rue Jarry
> Est. The NRN web view shows names like "Av 25e" and "Rue 39e". My JOSM's
> "Geobase Roads - French" layer similarly shows "Avenue 25e" and "Rue 39e"
> for these streets. OSM has "39e Rue" and "25e Avenue". I spot-checked a
> town in Lanaudière and found the same format difference.
>
> Will you change the names of these Montréal streets because NRN says so?
>
> Or is the suggestion that NRN is good enough to tell Calgarians that "NW"
> must be written out "Northwest", but not good enough to tell Montréalers
> how to name numbered streets?
>
> The hang-up seems to be about abbreviations and OSM's policy of avoiding
> them. No policy can be applied blindly. Every policy has areas where locals
> believe it doesn't apply. I will again bring up the example of the UK town
> St Ives. It's pronounced "saint" and it is accepted that the town is in
> fact named after a saint. But the name in OSM is St Ives. Because the name
> of the town is St Ives. Because that's what the people there think the name
> is.
>
> --Jarek
> (a mapper in southern Ontario)
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, at 11:49, Pierre Béland via Talk-ca wrote:
>
> NRN Alberta, Voir
>
> https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/3d282116-e556-400c-9306-ca1a3cada77f
>
> * Pierre *
>
>
> Le jeudi 15 décembre 2022 à 11 h 43 min 30 s UTC−5, Iain Ingram <
> iain at monkeyface.ca> a écrit :
>
>
>
> I have provided the survey act of Alberta and the ATS. Please provide your
> comments on those sources.
>
> Please provide your source. I also looked at your resource Canada link and
> could not find the gazette article for Alberta you can send me the link to
> the article I would appreciate reading it.
>
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> 
> Iain,
>
> C'est moi qui ai observé cela en regardant la carte de Calgary.
> Confirmes-tu que Calgary est implicitement divisée en quadrants Northwest,
> Northeast, Southeast, Southwest et dans ces sections le suffixe
> correspondant au cadran ajouté systématiquement au nom de rue ? Sinon,
> peux-tu nous démontrer le contraire ?
>
> * Pierre *
>
>
> Le jeudi 15 décembre 2022 à 11 h 16 min 38 s UTC−5, Iain Ingram <
> iain at monkeyface.ca> a écrit :
>
>
> Martin,
>
> As you and others have seen no valid arguments can you please provide any
> documentation that Alberta uses a cardinal system for naming? I fully agree
> that in areas that use abbreviation it should be expanded. Now I ask for
> something that supports that these names are actually abbreviated.
>
> Further to that I would also like the guidance around expanding legal land
> as that is how you add addresses to rural areas. If these are to be
> expanded or not?
>
> This is a large change to Alberta and it extends more than just a display
> name or expanding an abbreviation. Because that is not actually what we are
> doing we are changing the name. I do support no abbreviations but I would
> like to see the support that these are abbreviations. I have provided that
> they are not and no comments back. I could be mistaken.
>
> Iain
>
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