[Talk-ca] Proposed changes to road classification and related stuff

Thu Feb 10 23:44:10 UTC 2022

Ce qui est proposé ici est de modifier la classification pour un meilleur rendu sur la carte à des zooms inférieurs ou pour influencer la priorisation de routes particulières dans les outils de navigation routière. Il est habituellement déconseillé par la communauté OSM d'agir ainsi.

Vs route Rouyn-Noranda–Saguenay

De Val-D'or - Vers Saint-Felicien, Saguenay et même Tadoussac, les outils de navigation empruntent bien la route du nord. De même, la route du nord est empruntée à partir de Temiskaming Shores, ON.
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_car&route=48.102%2C-77.788%3B48.143%2C-69.717#map=7/48.969/-73.740 De Mont-Laurier au sud du Parc de la Vérendry, ou encore à partir de North-Bay, ON. il y a un basculement vers la route du sud, ce qui fait du sens avec distances - temps plus courts.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car&route=46.552%2C-75.497%3B48.143%2C-69.717#map=7/46.909/-72.609
Lorsque nous choisissons un trajet, d'autres facteurs sont à considérer dont le peu de services sur la route du nord et possiblement une chaussée plus abimée avec les nombreux camions lourds qui empruntent de telles routes. Les services routiers en cas d'urgence peuvent aussi être à des centaines de km de distance. 

Pierre 

    Le jeudi 10 février 2022, 17 h 08 min 46 s UTC−5, Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com> a écrit :  

 It's not just about keeping up with changes in the border, but I find there need to a lot more trunk routes so to highlight other important road links between important regional population centres (in here as well as in the US), not just ones defined by a committee of provincial and territorial transportation ministers.  Yes, a trunk network based on the NHS core network may be okay and is mostly well-connected so to say the least, and we can leave that as it is, but we should try to highlight other key connections (e.g. Barrie/Toronto/Kitchener-Waterloo/London–Owen Sound, Red Deer–Saskatoon, Medicine Hat-Lloydminster, Rouyn-Noranda–Saguenay without passing through the St. Lawrence valley, North Battleford-Prince Albert, Prince Albert-Yorkton without passing through Saskatoon), and relying solely on a highway being a NHS core route can reveal connectivity gaps, especially when viewing the map at lower zooms. Connectivity is an current issue as with BC 99 (Sea to Sky Highway), which ends at Whistler rather than continuing up to the Cariboo; the BC 99 trunk status being based on where it's an NHS route.
On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 10:22 AM Iain Ingram <iain at monkeyface.ca> wrote:

I certainly wouldn’t say this mail list doesn’t have mappers from the west on it. I am also in Alberta. I would have to agree with Martin. What is broken and what is the benefit of this fix? I am not suggesting it is not valid but I am curious what brought this up as a need.
Iain 

On Feb 10, 2022, at 07:42, Martin Chalifoux via Talk-ca <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

On this statement below, I will ask again, what is it that is broken ? What is it that needs fixing ? It may be obvious to you that it needs fixing but for many experienced mappers the trunk tag is just fine and there is nothing wrong with it. So in a sentence or two, not a one pager, can you explain what is it that needs fixing. That they have done something in the USA is not the answer. Thank you.

On Feb 10, 2022, at 09:21, Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com> wrote:
On the trunk==expressway thing, I’ll still be willing on dealing with those. People south of the border are already dealing with it, and why not us which still do have a bunch?

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