[Talk-ca] Someone adding LKW to truck lanes and parking at border crossings

[Clay Smalley]

This same user made large-scale edits to railways a year ago in Houston,
Texas [1]. Similarly, they were unwilling to accept that local communities
may create and enforce local tagging guidelines. Frederik temporarily
blocked them for this behavior [2]. Afterwards, their railway edits in the
US stopped, but they continued to edit railways all over the world without
any communication with locals.

They'll probably move on from this and stop editing names in the US and
Canada. But they may continue elsewhere, and we should notify other local
communities if we notice something wrong.

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/120050660
[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5977

On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 9:16 AM Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca> wrote:

> Not really. It's a description. hgv=designated is the same description,
> except machine readable.
>
> The comment about "even for non-US citizens !!!" suggests a pretty deep
> misunderstanding of how OSM names, tagging, and rendering works. Or I'm not
> even sure if it's not a troll. Maybe point out that even though OSM is a
> globally accessible project, we don't see truck routes in Germany named
> "卡车"?
>
> I think all these descriptions in name tags ("LKW", "Truck", "Commercial
> Truck Route") should be reverted on sight, and if they reintroduce them,
> report this to the Data Working Group who I believe have enforcement powers
> for this. (Frederik, are you still on DWG yourself?)
>
> --Jarek
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023, at 23:13, Michael Stark wrote:
>
> Is it appropriate to label every lane as "Commercial Truck Route"?
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/133018698
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 9:08 AM Michael Stark <michael60634 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Further reply on the changesets comments:
>
> "OSM is a globally accessible project. So even for non-US citizens !!!
> They must also be able to read the map !!! HGV and LKW are equivalent
> abbreviations. Only the insulted arrogant one returns correctly made
> repairs. Only a fool prefers a poorly drawn map with a theoretically good
> description."
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/134216339
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023, 2:43 AM Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>
> Well even if the term "lkw" were ubiquitous it would still not be a
> suitable value for the "name" tag of a truck lane...
>
> On 7/4/23 06:44, Jherome Miguel wrote:
> > They just replied. Quoting.
> >
> > "In Europe, even outside Germany, the abbreviation LKW (freight) or PKW
> > (passenger) is used. These, on the other hand, do not use the
> > abbreviation HVG [sic]. I think the combination LKW / TRUCK is used to
> > describe it, which is understandable to both English and Germans. Some
> > Americans and Canadians don't know the abbreviation HGV either. Stop
> > removing the LKW/TRUCK description. Thank you."
> >
> > Obviously false. Yes, we don't use HGV, but truck, but the problem is
> > they also slap LKW under a false assumption. Gahhhhhhhh! They might not
> > have ever stepped in either Canada or America.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 10:53 PM Paul Norman <osm at paulnorman.ca
> > <mailto:osm at paulnorman.ca>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 2023-06-23 3:17 p.m., Jherome Miguel wrote:
> >      > Some user from Czech Republic has been adding this label
> "TRUCK/LKW"
> >      > to truck lanes and parking at border crossings with the US, and
> this
> >      > has been annoying me. Unless you speak German, you have no idea
> >     what a
> >      > LKW is. Just asked them to stop these. Have anyone did away with
> >      > these? Already did these with Emerson/Pembina and Stanstead/Derby
> >     Line.
> >
> >
> >     That name is generally going to be wrong, aside from the LKW part.
> >     These
> >     are not streets with a name of TRUCK, and they generally have the
> same
> >     name as a larger road, or no name at all.
> >
> >
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