[Talk-es] access to Spanish cadastre

Lun Dic 15 02:59:18 UTC 2014

Ha -- thank you, Agustín and Cruz. This is tremendously helpful. From the
decree, it seems that cadastral data is free for use in general, which I
think much include the INSPIRE data (if that is incorrect, please do let me
know). Working with 7000+ GML files will not be a lot of fun, but I think I
can use this to add the data to OpenAddresses. Thanks very much!

Tom

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> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:33:57 -0500
> From: Tom Lee <tlee en mapbox.com>
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> I've recently been researching Spain's cadastral database, which quickly
> led to the work done on cat2osm and other projects by people on this list.
> However, I find myself confused. I believe that links to bulk downloads of
> the data exist on this page:
>
> https://www.sedecatastro.gob.es/OVCFrames.aspx?TIPO=TIT&a=masiv
>
> In fact, it is discussed in some detail on this OSM wiki page:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cat2Osm#Descargar_datos_de_Catastro
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> But when I attempt a download, it seems that I need an X.509 certificate. I
> wonder if anyone can explain the nature of this requirement o a non-Spanish
> citizen? I realize that some elements of the database related to land value
> and ownership are sensitive, but I don't believe that these bulk downloads
> include such data. The license terms associated with this data seem to be
> quite open (
>
> http://www.catastro.minhap.es/ayuda/legislacion/ovc/resoluciondgc20110323_tfs.pdf
> ), which makes this requirement all the more confounding.
>
> Any insights are much appreciated.
>
> Tom
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> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 20:15:46 +0100
> From: Agustín <agustindiez en gmail.com>
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> > On 12 Dec 2014, at 19:33, Tom Lee <tlee en mapbox.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've recently been researching Spain's cadastral database, which quickly
> led to the work done on cat2osm and other projects by people on this list.
> However, I find myself confused. I believe that links to bulk downloads of
> the data exist on this page:
> >
> > https://www.sedecatastro.gob.es/OVCFrames.aspx?TIPO=TIT&a=masiv <
> https://www.sedecatastro.gob.es/OVCFrames.aspx?TIPO=TIT&a=masiv>
> >
> > In fact, it is discussed in some detail on this OSM wiki page:
> >
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cat2Osm#Descargar_datos_de_Catastro <
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cat2Osm#Descargar_datos_de_Catastro>
> >
> > But when I attempt a download, it seems that I need an X.509
> certificate. I wonder if anyone can explain the nature of this requirement
> o a non-Spanish citizen? I realize that some elements of the database
> related to land value and ownership are sensitive, but I don't believe that
> these bulk downloads include such data. The license terms associated with
> this data seem to be quite open (
> http://www.catastro.minhap.es/ayuda/legislacion/ovc/resoluciondgc20110323_tfs.pdf
> <
> http://www.catastro.minhap.es/ayuda/legislacion/ovc/resoluciondgc20110323_tfs.pdf>
> ), which makes this requirement all the more confounding.
> Well this is the Spanish government, I guess. Requirements even if there
> are a non-sense, are quiet clear.
> Para descargar los ficheros de catastro es necesario tener DNI-e <
> http://www.dnielectronico.es/>, obtener el certificado e instalar los
> drivers <http://www.dnielectronico.es/descargas/index.html> del lector y
> dni-e. También es posible sin DNI-e mediante un certificado electrónico de
> usuario expedido por la FNMT <
> http://www.cert.fnmt.es/index.php?cha=cit&sec=4> instalado en el
> navegador.
> What, in short, means that you’re out of luck is you aren’t either Spanish
> or pay your taxes here.
> By the way there is a project to import all this data to ism but we’re
> negotiating with the import list. If you want some data in particular. I’m
> sure that in this list there is a bunch of people willing to provide them
> to you. You’re welcome to join their efforts to import the cadastre data.
> >
> > Any insights are much appreciated.
> >
> > Tom
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> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 20:28:20 +0100
> From: Cruz Enrique Borges Hernandez <cruz.borges en deusto.es>
> To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap
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> Subject: Re: [Talk-es] access to Spanish cadastre
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> You need a valid ID electronic card (DNI-e) to download ANY data from the
> cadestre
> database. Moreover, you have to fill a form where you have to provide your
> localizacion,
> work and the amount of € that the use of that particular dataset have save
> in the
> project (when applicable). Even more, there are data that they have, but
> they not provide
> in any case. Those are the rules set by the cadestre.
>
> If you ask me why they set that rules: I DON'T KNOW AND I WOULD RATHER
> PREFER
> NOT TO ASK ;) (it a thing that could ONLY be worse).
>
> On the other hand, the cadestre information of Spain are accessible now
> thorough
> this portal:
>
>
> http://blog-idee.blogspot.com.es/2014/03/actualizacion-de-los-datos-de-descarga.html
>
> fulfilling the INSPIRE directive. I have not tested myself, but seems that
> the data
> format its different and cannot be used with cat2osm2 [1]. In any case,
> please note
> that cat2osm is DEPRECATED and should not be used for anything.
>
> In any case, good luck using the cadestre data ;)
> cruz.
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cat2Osm2
>
> > But when I attempt a download, it seems that I need an X.509
> certificate. I
> > wonder if anyone can explain the nature of this requirement o a
> non-Spanish
> > citizen? I realize that some elements of the database related to land
> value
> > and ownership are sensitive, but I don't believe that these bulk
> downloads
> > include such data. The license terms associated with this data seem to be
> > quite open (
> >
> http://www.catastro.minhap.es/ayuda/legislacion/ovc/resoluciondgc20110323_tfs.pdf
> > ), which makes this requirement all the more confounding.
>
> --
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