[OSM-fi] Finnish National Registry of Social and Health
Erno Mäkinen
ernoma at gmail.com
Wed Sep 6 13:38:25 UTC 2017
Hi,
Äijälä Tero kirjoitti 6.9.2017 klo 15.52:
> Hi,
>
> We would like to have a unified set, and include the SOTE oid as part of
> the data. So to know the data came from the registry in the 1^st place.
> Do you have a suggestion how to merge these with existing data?
Maybe someone in the OSM Finland facebook channel or in the user forum
or in IRC channel that I mentioned earlier would have suggestion. The
page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import has red box at the top
that also points out the importance of the careful consultation with
local community.
> What would you do in case we need to revert changes? That is, if you can
> directly point me to the best approach here, I would use that.
I do not take any responsibility in this import. However, at the import
guidelines wiki page there is text also about reverting changes:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Take_great_care_to_avoid_damaging_the_database.
BR,
Erno
> Br,
>
> Tero
>
> *Lähettäjä: *Erno Mäkinen <ernoma at gmail.com>
> *Päivämäärä: *keskiviikko 6. syyskuuta 2017 klo 15.42
> *Vastaanottaja: *Äijälä Tero <Tero.aijala at cinia.fi>
> *Kopio: *"talk-fi at openstreetmap.org" <talk-fi at openstreetmap.org>
> *Aihe: *Re: [OSM-fi] Finnish National Registry of Social and Health
>
> Hi,
>
> At least these should be improved:
>
> - You should explain how you deal with the already existing POIs
>
> - It would be good idea to have the "source=THL SOTE registry” tag for
> each imported node.
>
> - There are over 3000 nodes for Tampere area, I do not think this is
> small import that is easy to revert by you if needed
>
> - You should explain what you do in case to need to revert the changes
>
> - I think it would be good idea to have the THL permission on the form
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3PN5zfbzThqeTdWR1l3SzJVcTg/view (page
> 2) as explained here:
> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/. It could
> be stored in the github, for example, where it is publicly available
>
> BR,
>
> Erno
>
> Äijälä Tero <Tero.aijala at cinia.fi <mailto:Tero.aijala at cinia.fi>>
> kirjoitti 6.9.2017 kello 10.24:
>
> Hi again,
>
> I updated the import wiki page:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODA/Finnish_SOTE_registry_import. Sample
> input & output data is available on Github here:
> https://github.com/omahoito/osm-import/tree/master/scripts.
> Any concerns or input to the upload at this point? What is still
> needed before I could upload the data?
>
> Br,
>
> Tero
>
> Äijälä Tero <Tero.aijala at cinia.fi <mailto:Tero.aijala at cinia.fi>>
> kirjoitti 5.9.2017 15.41:
>
> Hi,
>
> Got green light from THL to mention them only on
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors. I would also need
> to add a custom tag for the oid field on THL registry, so some
> changes to the imported model needed. Also would be importing the
> address, phone number if available on the THL registry.
>
> More input is more than welcome.
>
> Br,
>
> Tero
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 01:14:10 +0300
> From: Erno Mäkinen <ernoma at gmail.com <mailto:ernoma at gmail.com>>
> To: OSM-mapping Finland <talk-fi at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-fi at openstreetmap.org>>
> Cc: "imports at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:imports at openstreetmap.org>" <imports at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:imports at openstreetmap.org>>, Eduardo
> Gonzalez <eglatorre at gmail.com <mailto:eglatorre at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-fi] Finnish National Registry of Social
> and Health
> care
>
> Providers as POIs
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> <mailto:31CF82A2-E44B-40EA-9AC1-0BD35EA8798F at gmail.com>>
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>
> Hi Tero,
>
> No, it is not ok to go ahead. You seem to have permission
> from THL only if they are mentioned in the
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright page but to be able to have
> THL mentioned on that page would require you to agree with the OSM
> Foundation. Almost all data providers are mentioned on the page
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors. You could try to
> get permission from THL if they are mentioned on that page. There
> may be more reasons not to go forward. I suggest to try get more
> input from the OSM community before doing the import.
>
> BR,
> Erno
>
>
> Äijälä Tero <Tero.aijala at cinia.fi <mailto:Tero.aijala at cinia.fi>>
> kirjoitti 4.9.2017 kello 12.30:
>
> Hi,
>
> Would it be OK to go ahead with the proposed approach, that is
> try a smaller geographical area first and then push the whole
> generated set?
>
> Br,
>
> Tero
>
> Lähettäjä: Äijälä Tero <Tero.aijala at cinia.fi
> <mailto:Tero.aijala at cinia.fi>>
> Päivämäärä: tiistai 22. elokuuta 2017 klo 10.02
> Vastaanottaja: Eduardo Gonzalez <eglatorre at gmail.com
> <mailto:eglatorre at gmail.com>>, "imports at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:imports at openstreetmap.org>" <imports at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:imports at openstreetmap.org>>, "talk-fi at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-fi at openstreetmap.org>" <talk-fi at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-fi at openstreetmap.org>>
> Aihe: Re: [OSM-fi] Finnish National Registry of Social and
> Health care Providers as POIs
>
> Hi,
>
> I created the page as suggested
> here:https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODA/Finnish_SOTE_registry_import
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODA/Finnish_SOTE_registry_import>.
> Will try a smaller upload first for one city, for example Tampere.
> There are definitely existing POIs for many of the service
> providers, uploaded by individual users or the organizations
> themselves.
> For completeness having an “official” set of POIs coming from
> the SOTE registry would have some benefit perhaps, on the other
> hand this would probably result in a slow update cycle.
>
> How would you see this working best? We could probably upload
> now only the missing POIs, and outside this process instruct
> people on how to maintain their location going forward.
>
> Br,
>
> Tero
>
> Lähettäjä: Eduardo Gonzalez <eglatorre at gmail.com
> <mailto:eglatorre at gmail.com>>
> Päivämäärä: maanantai 21. elokuuta 2017 klo 9.01
> Vastaanottaja: Äijälä Tero <Tero.aijala at cinia.fi
> <mailto:Tero.aijala at cinia.fi>>, "imports at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:imports at openstreetmap.org>" <imports at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:imports at openstreetmap.org>>, "talk-fi at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-fi at openstreetmap.org>" <talk-fi at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-fi at openstreetmap.org>>
> Aihe: [OSM-fi] Finnish National Registry of Social and Health
> care Providers as POIs
>
> Hi Tero,
>
> have you checked this guidelines about importing?
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines(and
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Plan_Outline).
>
> Especially step 4 where it is asked to create an OSM wiki page
> documenting your plan. There is a nice example made by HSL for
> importing Swedish street names
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Digitransit/Helsinki_region_Swedish_road_names_import
> (which follows the Plan_Outline mentioned above). Your github
> page looks somehow like that but the OSM recommendation is to
> document to the OSM wiki.
>
> As for the import itself, testing in a small area and reviewing
> the results before making an import for the whole dataset may be
> a good way to start. But surely you have planned for that
> already. A more specific check that comes to mind is to check
> for already existing POIs that may already contain that
> information (and not import double POIs).
>
> Cheers,
> Eduardo
>
>
> Subject: [OSM-fi] Finnish National Registry of Social and Health
> care Providers as POIs
> Message-ID: <FED59CB8-040A-47DB-9991-C0682390AF8D at cinia.fi
> <mailto:FED59CB8-040A-47DB-9991-C0682390AF8D at cinia.fi>>
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> Hey OSM,
> I'd like to propose an import of the Finnish National Registry
> of social and health care providers.
> National Institute for Health and Welfare (THL) maintains a
> registry for all public and private social and health care
> providers in Finland.
> The data is available under the CC BY 4.0 license. THL has given
> permission to use their data, provided they are listed on the
> copyright page as a data source.
> My intention is to use the service provider information
> available from the registry (name, address, provider type:
> social/healthcare), geocode the addresses to coordinates,
> transform the data to JOSM POI format and import the set to OSM.
> See the readme for more details:
> https://github.com/omahoito/osm-import
> Br,
> Tero
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