[Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2%

Sun Aug 22 20:36:37 BST 2010

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "80n" <80n80n at gmail.com>
> To: "Barnett, Phillip" <PHILLIP.BARNETT at itn.co.uk>
> Cc: "David Groom" <reviews at pacific-rim.net>; <Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source 
> WAS The last 2%
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> Phillip
> OSM has always taken a very conservative approach on licensing and if in
> doubt has erred on the side of caution.
>
> Following this philosophy you cannot agree to the contributor terms.
>
> If you can find a way to revert your OS contributions then you would be 
> able
> to agree to the new contributor terms.

80n
I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with you there, see my post which was made 
at 20:30

>
> Alternatively, if someone were to provide a way to change the authorship 
> of
> those changesets to a different user ID that remained CC-BY-SA then you
> would also be free to agree to the new license.  Doing this would actually

I'd also dispute this point, as the CT's talk refer to the user which added 
the data, not the user who currently "owns" it.  So even if the authorship 
were changed to a different user ID, it would still have been Phillip who 
added the data in the first place.

David

> just postpone the reversion of those changesets and it would happen later,
> after the license switch, when all CC-BY-SA licensed data would get purged
> from the database.
>
> 80n
>
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> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Barnett, Phillip 
> <PHILLIP.BARNETT at itn.co.uk
>> wrote:
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>>   I’ve been mapping off and on since April 2006, and I’ve contributed
>> approximately 1320 changesets in that time. Only three of which include 
>> OS
>> data. Are all my contributions going to be rejected?
>>
>> I have not, as yet, signed up to the new CTs, though was intending to.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m now not touching OS data – but is it too late? Surely it’s just a
>> question of removing the ‘tainted’ changesets? Or, to be safe, all the
>> changesets I’ve contributed since the OS data became available?
>>
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>>  *From:* talk-gb-bounces at openstreetmap.org [mailto:
>> talk-gb-bounces at openstreetmap.org] *On Behalf Of *80n
>> *Sent:* 22 August 2010 18:41
>> *To:* David Groom
>> *Cc:* Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a
>> source WAS The last 2%
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:23 PM, David Groom <reviews at pacific-rim.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Peat" <kevin at kevinpeat.com>
>> To: "Robert Whittaker (OSM)" 
>> <robert.whittaker+osm at gmail.com<robert.whittaker%2Bosm at gmail.com>>;
>> <Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source
>> WAS The last 2%
>>
>>
>>
>>  However, that doesn't change the fact that the OS OpenData license is
>> incompatible with the contributor terms, and DbCL, and quite possibly
>> ODbL too.
>>
>>  I thought this was still to be confirmed?  It may not be that important
>> to
>> townies but there is a lot of value in the OS data for rural mappers
>> (woods,
>> streams, rivers, coastline, etc.) and it is a crucial issue for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is still to be confirmed.  The situation at the moment is there is no
>> guarantee that OS OpenData is compatible with the CT's.
>>
>> Hence if you currently contribute anything based on OS OpenData  to OSM 
>> you
>> run the risk that you will be prevented from contributing to OSM in the
>> future.
>>
>>
>> To be clear about this, you can still continue to contribute OS OpenData 
>> to
>> OSM providing you have not, and do not, agree to the new contributor 
>> terms.
>>
>>
>> If you have already contributed content derived from OS OpenData then you
>> cannot and should not agree to the contributor terms as they currently
>> stand.
>>
>> Your contributions will not be lost because there will probably always be 
>> a
>> place where these contributions continue to be editable and available 
>> under
>> CC-BY-SA.  This may not be OSM but it is likely there will be sites that
>> continue to maintain CC-BY-SA licensed content.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am aware that the LWG have been considering the matter since at least 8
>> June [1] , but that as 17 August they have yet to ask legal counsels 
>> opinion
>> on this [2].
>>
>> David
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> [1] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_67f465m4cd
>>
>> [2] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_77rbr8fgfw
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