[Talk-GB] [Talk-transit] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?

Gregory nomoregrapes at googlemail.com
Wed Mar 17 02:22:01 GMT 2010


Ah, I hadn't seen http://openbusmap.org/ /
http://www.öpnvkarte.de/<http://www.xn--pnvkarte-m4a.de/>before.
It looks cool and I sometimes want to know the route the buses take (in a
non-schematic way). Just a quick look of my parents place and I've spotted
two routes that are slightly off.



On 16 March 2010 16:10, Shaun McDonald <shaun at shaunmcdonald.me.uk> wrote:

> Currently openbusmap.org is a quick hack using an iframe to the original
> site. This means that if you click permalink the permalink will open in that
> frame. If you open in a new tab/window from that link, you'll get a
> permalink.
>
> Shaun
>
> On 16 Mar 2010, at 22:05, Richard Mann wrote:
>
> > I tried to supply a lat & lon and failed dismally. I find German rail
> > services fascinating, but I suspect I may be in a minority for
> > openbusmap.org users. Is that easy to fix (being able to supply a
> > lat/lon, maybe even generating an openbusmap.org permalink)?
> >
> > Cyclists may also like to ponder whether a good bus service actually
> > does them quite a few favours, even if they don't use it themselves.
> > Certainly has here in Oxford.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Andy Allan <gravitystorm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Tom Chance <tom at acrewoods.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The cycle map and regular chatter have seen coverage blossom. Obviously
> bus
> >>> stops aren't as interesting to fellow OSM nutters as cycle routes; and
> the
> >>> cycle map was an "early mover" and got onto the front page of the main
> web
> >>> site. But can't we make a bit more of an effort to push this across the
> GB
> >>> community?
> >>
> >> :-) I sallied forth on this issue at WhereCampEU - topics of how to
> >> improve the public transit data in OSM came up a surprising number of
> >> times on Saturday.
> >>
> >> Step One: Register a better domain name for people who can't remember
> >> how to type the double-dots in http://www.öpnvkarte.de/<http://www.xn--pnvkarte-m4a.de/>. Et voila,
> >> now we have http://openbusmap.org thanks to Shaun.
> >> Step Two: Have a (UK?) public transport hack-weekend. Peter Miller
> >> offered to sponsor this at said WhereCampEU, so that just needs
> >> organising.
> >> Step Three: Good editor support. Potlatch2 already supports things
> >> like NAPTAN cardinal compass directions. There's more to do on that
> >> front...
> >>
> >> That's a start, and IMHO doing what the cyclemap did (i.e. provide a
> >> compelling end-use) does as much as YAOSMIT (that's Yet Another OSM
> >> Inspection Tool). The tools have their place, but only for the most
> >> hard-core contributors. I see contributors as progressing through the
> >> following stages, where only a small proportion ever make it to the
> >> next stage:
> >>
> >> 1) Not interested or aware of the subject in question
> >> 2) Liking an end-use of the subject (e.g. opencyclemap.org,
> openbusmap.org)
> >> 3) Fiddling with the data in places that's important to them
> >> 4) Getting interested in wider QA of the data using inspection tools
> >>
> >> I think we need to support 2 and 3 to get a much larger number of
> >> people involved in buses etc in the UK.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Andy
> >>
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