[Talk-GB] [Talk-transit] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?

Shaun McDonald shaun at shaunmcdonald.me.uk
Tue Mar 16 23:10:40 GMT 2010

Currently openbusmap.org is a quick hack using an iframe to the original site. This means that if you click permalink the permalink will open in that frame. If you open in a new tab/window from that link, you'll get a permalink.


On 16 Mar 2010, at 22:05, Richard Mann wrote:

> I tried to supply a lat & lon and failed dismally. I find German rail
> services fascinating, but I suspect I may be in a minority for
> openbusmap.org users. Is that easy to fix (being able to supply a
> lat/lon, maybe even generating an openbusmap.org permalink)?
> Cyclists may also like to ponder whether a good bus service actually
> does them quite a few favours, even if they don't use it themselves.
> Certainly has here in Oxford.
> Richard
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Andy Allan <gravitystorm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Tom Chance <tom at acrewoods.net> wrote:
>>> The cycle map and regular chatter have seen coverage blossom. Obviously bus
>>> stops aren't as interesting to fellow OSM nutters as cycle routes; and the
>>> cycle map was an "early mover" and got onto the front page of the main web
>>> site. But can't we make a bit more of an effort to push this across the GB
>>> community?
>> :-) I sallied forth on this issue at WhereCampEU - topics of how to
>> improve the public transit data in OSM came up a surprising number of
>> times on Saturday.
>> Step One: Register a better domain name for people who can't remember
>> how to type the double-dots in http://www.öpnvkarte.de/ . Et voila,
>> now we have http://openbusmap.org thanks to Shaun.
>> Step Two: Have a (UK?) public transport hack-weekend. Peter Miller
>> offered to sponsor this at said WhereCampEU, so that just needs
>> organising.
>> Step Three: Good editor support. Potlatch2 already supports things
>> like NAPTAN cardinal compass directions. There's more to do on that
>> front...
>> That's a start, and IMHO doing what the cyclemap did (i.e. provide a
>> compelling end-use) does as much as YAOSMIT (that's Yet Another OSM
>> Inspection Tool). The tools have their place, but only for the most
>> hard-core contributors. I see contributors as progressing through the
>> following stages, where only a small proportion ever make it to the
>> next stage:
>> 1) Not interested or aware of the subject in question
>> 2) Liking an end-use of the subject (e.g. opencyclemap.org, openbusmap.org)
>> 3) Fiddling with the data in places that's important to them
>> 4) Getting interested in wider QA of the data using inspection tools
>> I think we need to support 2 and 3 to get a much larger number of
>> people involved in buses etc in the UK.
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
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