[Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Peter Miller peter.miller at itoworld.com
Thu Feb 3 14:41:17 GMT 2011

On 3 February 2011 14:32, Gregory <nomoregrapes at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I'm upset that the blue(95%+) area in the North East turns out to be
> Darlington, which I believe is tracers that started OS once it was
> available.
> I've used the OS Locator tool around Durham, mainly in JOSM, to get towards
> that 95%, and I turned a bit addicted. It makes me worried that I might go
> beyond reasonable edits(country roads with no signs, broken signs, my own
> mistakes/omissions, etc) and just stay at home in my arm chair (it's been
> cold outside). One village I know isn't done, so it's reminded me to go out
> and do that. I much rather prefer to create roads than to adjust their
> locations, so I think it's better I start with my GPS trace rather than OS
> Locator.
> Peter, I know the ITO locator layer only shows missing names and that
> you're not just checking name=* (if the OS has a different name for some
> reason). What is the list of other name tags that get used?

name, not:name, alt:name name:en, name"{lang} and possiby a few more.


> Gregory.
> On 3 February 2011 14:08, Matt Amos <zerebubuth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Ed Avis <eda at waniasset.com> wrote:
>> > Dair Grant <dair at ...> writes:
>> >
>> >>> There is suggestion raised by a number of people, but refuted by
>> others that
>> >>> imports reduce the number of contributors.
>> >>
>> >>It has been denied, not refuted. I think the closest there is to real
>> data
>> >>on the effect is:
>> >>
>> >><
>> http://www.asklater.com/matt/wordpress/2009/09/imports-and-the-community-ii
>> >
>> >
>> > We do also have real data on the effect of not doing imports - the towns
>> which
>> > are almost completely unmapped.  While importing data from OS may not be
>> ideal,
>> > doing nothing and waiting for somebody to go and map it doesn't seem
>> like a
>> > successful strategy either, if the past five years are a guide.
>> >
>> > For prosperous city areas there is no difficulty finding a local mapper
>> who will
>> > take on a new hobby to get away from the computer screen for a few
>> hours.  But
>> > OSM has a real coverage gap in socially disadvantaged areas (Fake SteveC
>> has a
>> > pithier name for them).  But we want a complete map and not just a map
>> of where
>> > the typical OSM contributor lives.  If using some of the work already
>> done by
>> > the Ordnance Survey helps us get there, that has to be a good thing.
>> my experience of the OS data traced into my local area is that it's
>> been almost entirely inaccurate. if this is the case where a typical
>> OSM contributor lives then i'd assume that people tracing over OS have
>> introduced several hundred inaccurate features in London alone.
>> perhaps if the people enamoured of tracing OS would organise a mapping
>> party, or reach out to local community groups (people still live in
>> socially disadvantaged areas, right?) then we could create a complete,
>> living map, rather than a road-network-complete, dead one.
>> cheers,
>> matt
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