[Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement
Mike Harris
mikh43 at googlemail.com
Thu Mar 24 16:13:46 GMT 2011
On 24/03/2011 16:01, Mike Harris wrote:
> Peter
>
> I think the attitude of Councils varies a bit from place to place. For
> example, two Councils (qua Highway Authorities) that I deal with on a
> very regular basis both state that the definitive map data is
> available for public use so long as we do not actually copy the
> underlying OS base map.
>
> By law all Councils have to make the Definitive Map (and Definitive
> Statement) available for public inspection at their offices.
>
> Many Councils will also have various publicly available databases that
> they have created themselves that are contain no actual mapping at all
> (but might contain OS grid references rather that latitude and
> longitude as a means of defining locations).
>
> Congratulations on taking the initiative that you have, as greater
> clarity would be most helpful in view of the fact that the Public
> Sector Mapping Agreement is now in force.
>
> Council contacts are absolutely clear that OS makes no claim to PRoW
> data - they access it from the Highway Authorities in the same way as
> anyone else and are allowed to put it on their maps (although they add
> careful legal disclaimers as to its non-authoritative status).
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 19:59, Peter Miller wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 23 March 2011 19:25, TimSC <mapping at sheerman-chase.org.uk
>> <mailto:mapping at sheerman-chase.org.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Here is part of an email I sent to a few councils regarding
>> rights of way data (footpaths, bridleways, etc):
>>>
>>> I have a big and fairly complicated request regarding the
>>> definitive map. I am interested in making data more accessible
>>> to the public (as encouraged by central government [1]). It
>>> would be great if the rights of way data could be released
>>> without restriction, specifically the definite map. As you
>>> probably know, the rights of way data is derived from Ordnance
>>> Survey products which until now has prevented this data being
>>> released without restriction because of copyright. However OS
>>> will soon introduce the Public Sector Mapping Agreement which
>>> defines how government bodies can use OS products [2]. This
>>> includes a new mechanism for public bodies to request datasets
>>> that have been derived from OS products to be release either
>>> licensed as "OS OpenData" or "Free to Use" (section 2.5 of the
>>> license [3]).
>>> [1] http://data.gov.uk/
>>> [2]
>>> http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/business/sectors/government/psma/
>>>
>>> [3]
>>> http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/business/sectors/government/psma/docs/psma-member-licence.pdf
>>
>>
>> Kent County Council wrote back:
>>
>>> Dear Mr Sheerman-Chase
>>> Thank you for your email.
>>> I will forward your suggestions and comments to the Head of the
>>> Service
>>> and Definitive Map Team.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Countryside Access Service
>>
>> Does anyone have any ideas on how to actually get the councils to
>> apply to OS to exempt their data and release it? Currently, I get
>> the impression that they don't rate data openness as a high
>> priority - they just nod and smile until I go away. It would be
>> good to get this data for quality assurance or even ... dun dun
>> dunnnnn... importing. Could we start a petition? Or use any
>> contacts the community has to make this happen? Any other data
>> sets worth liberating?
>>
>> Once we have set a precedent, it should be easier to get other
>> councils to comply, because of the way the OS exemption process
>> works.
>>
>>
>> Technically I believe that the rights of way on the OS mapping is
>> derived from the legal documentation provided by the council. As it
>> happens I was talking to someone who was in a position to know about
>> this recently and he said that the OS don't even claim ownership of
>> rights of way data.
>>
>> Also. my understanding is that Kent are particularly proactive on
>> open data. This youtube presentation is worth looking at even though
>> it seems to be about their map interface. Clearly they are talking
>> the talk on open data.
>> http://sparkdev.co.uk/showcase/show/open-kent
>>
>> Here is another link. Carol Patrick seems to be the person to talk to.
>> http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=9274627
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Regards, TimSC
>>
>>
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