[Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

Mike Harris mikh43 at googlemail.com
Thu Mar 24 16:13:46 GMT 2011



On 24/03/2011 16:01, Mike Harris wrote:
> Peter
>
> I think the attitude of Councils varies a bit from place to place. For 
> example, two Councils (qua Highway Authorities) that I deal with on a 
> very regular basis both state that the definitive map data is 
> available for public use so long as we do not actually copy the 
> underlying OS base map.
>
> By law all Councils have to make the Definitive Map (and Definitive 
> Statement) available for public inspection at their offices.
>
> Many Councils will also have various publicly available databases that 
> they have created themselves that are contain no actual mapping at all 
> (but might contain OS grid references rather that latitude and 
> longitude as a means of defining locations).
>
> Congratulations on taking the initiative that you have, as greater 
> clarity would be most helpful in view of the fact that the Public 
> Sector Mapping Agreement is now in force.
>
> Council contacts are absolutely clear that OS makes no claim to PRoW 
> data - they access it from the Highway Authorities in the same way as 
> anyone else and are allowed to put it on their maps (although they add 
> careful legal disclaimers as to its non-authoritative status).
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 19:59, Peter Miller wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 23 March 2011 19:25, TimSC <mapping at sheerman-chase.org.uk 
>> <mailto:mapping at sheerman-chase.org.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     Here is part of an email I sent to a few councils regarding
>>     rights of way data (footpaths, bridleways, etc):
>>>
>>>     I have a big and fairly complicated request regarding the
>>>     definitive map. I am interested in making data more accessible
>>>     to the public (as encouraged by central government [1]). It
>>>     would be great if the rights of way data could be released
>>>     without restriction, specifically the definite map. As you
>>>     probably know, the rights of way data is derived from Ordnance
>>>     Survey products which until now has prevented this data being
>>>     released without restriction because of copyright. However OS
>>>     will soon introduce the Public Sector Mapping Agreement which
>>>     defines how government bodies can use OS products [2]. This
>>>     includes a new mechanism for public bodies to request datasets
>>>     that have been derived from OS products to be release either
>>>     licensed as "OS OpenData" or "Free to Use" (section 2.5 of the
>>>     license [3]).
>>>     [1] http://data.gov.uk/
>>>     [2]
>>>     http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/business/sectors/government/psma/
>>>
>>>     [3]
>>>     http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/business/sectors/government/psma/docs/psma-member-licence.pdf
>>
>>
>>     Kent County Council wrote back:
>>
>>>     Dear Mr Sheerman-Chase
>>>     Thank you for your email.
>>>     I will forward your suggestions and comments to the Head of the
>>>     Service
>>>     and Definitive Map Team.
>>>     Kind regards
>>>     Countryside Access Service
>>
>>     Does anyone have any ideas on how to actually get the councils to
>>     apply to OS to exempt their data and release it? Currently, I get
>>     the impression that they don't rate data openness as a high
>>     priority - they just nod and smile until I go away. It would be
>>     good to get this data for quality assurance or even ... dun dun
>>     dunnnnn... importing. Could we start a petition? Or use any
>>     contacts the community has to make this happen? Any other data
>>     sets worth liberating?
>>
>>     Once we have set a precedent, it should be easier to get other
>>     councils to comply, because of the way the OS exemption process
>>     works.
>>
>>
>> Technically I believe that the rights of way on the OS mapping is 
>> derived from the legal documentation provided by the council. As it 
>> happens I was talking to someone who was in a position to know about 
>> this recently and he said that the OS don't even claim ownership of 
>> rights of way data.
>>
>> Also. my understanding is that Kent are particularly proactive on 
>> open data. This youtube presentation is worth looking at even though 
>> it seems to be about their map interface. Clearly they are talking 
>> the talk on open data.
>> http://sparkdev.co.uk/showcase/show/open-kent
>>
>> Here is another link. Carol Patrick seems to be the person to talk to.
>> http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=9274627
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>     Thoughts?
>>
>>     Regards, TimSC
>>
>>
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