[Talk-GB] Talk-GB Research into the provision of path attribute information

Wed May 25 22:41:19 BST 2011

I found this interesting paper on footpath attribution prepared by Scottish Natural Heritage.

There are some really interesting ideas for how best to grade access, surface, gradients etc.

http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/publications/commissioned_reports/442.pdf

Worth a read. 

Tim

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>    1. Re: Kent Open Data, KCC (Gregory Williams)
>    2. Any interest in a mapping party S Wales Sunday 26th June
>       (SK53 on OSM)
>    3. Re: Tracks and there place in society (Richard Fairhurst)
>    4. Re: Tracks and there place in society (Nick Whitelegg)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 16:00:17 +0100
> From: "Gregory Williams" <gregory.williams at purplegeodesoftware.co.uk>
> To: "'TimSC'" <mapping at sheerman-chase.org.uk>,
> 	<talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc: Noel.Hatch2 at kent.gov.uk
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Kent Open Data, KCC
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> Looking at the school data I see that it's not completely up-to-date. I note
> that one school shows the previous head's name (the current head has been in
> place for a couple of years) and doesn't reflect that it's recently become
> an academy. This despite the fact that it's noted that it was last modified
> yesterday.
> 
>  
> 
> So, based upon this admittedly isolated case, we shouldn't assume that all
> of the data is current - we might have more up-to-date data than KCC.
> 
>  
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> From: TimSC [mailto:mapping at sheerman-chase.org.uk] 
> Sent: 23 May 2011 18:32
> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Cc: Noel.Hatch2 at kent.gov.uk
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Kent Open Data, KCC
> 
>  
> 
> 
> I have been informed that the beta OpenKent site, with more data and
> visualisation tools is here:
> 
> http://www.openkent.org.uk/
> 
> Some things that caught my eye: lists of librarys, GPs, opticians, pharmacy,
> KCC offices, medway car parks, schools. This would be good for validation,
> as I said. 
> 
> As well as what has already been mentioned (speed limits, etc), we could
> also do with lists of post offices, alchohol licensed buildings, sure starts
> (kindergartens), petrol stations (or petrol storage), public telephones*,
> taxi ranks*, dentists*, arts centres, public art, law courts, crematoria,
> fire stations, police stations, council grave yards*, markets*, prisons,
> recycling points, public toilets, places of worship*, parks, landfills,
> allotments, sports centres, tourist information offices, museums, highway
> maintenance depots, quarries, planning permissions, amusements, auction
> licenses, animal boardings, pet shops, tattoo shops, sex establishments,
> horse riding establishments, gambling locations, zoos, trees (apparently the
> highway authority has a tree database), park parks (including outside
> medway), highway renaming, new highway designations, changes to rights of
> way, all business premises .... did I miss anything?! If that is too much,
> we can prioritise our request to the council. We might start by asking for
> data that no one else has on their map and that is hard to comprehensively
> survey without their information. (Remember, I am not proposing to import
> anything yet, just to check against what the council has.) Hackey council
> has a list of many things they license, on the web [1], which is good for
> ideas.
> 
> * that is if the council holds the data.
> 
> If people can think of more data sets, we can put together a doodle poll to
> find the most wanted and to provide some justification (i.e. public demand)
> for us requesting the data.
> 
> Btw, I found the parish data I was looking for in OS OpenData, so no need to
> pester the council for that.
> 
> TimSC
> 
> [1] http://www.hackney.gov.uk/licensing.htm
> 
> On 23/05/11 16:10, Gregory Williams wrote: 
> 
> I've seen excerpts of that data in reports presented to the various Joint
> Transport Board meetings, so yes they have it.
> 
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> Gregory
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> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 17:28:27 +0100
> From: Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM <SK53_osm at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [Talk-GB] Any interest in a mapping party S Wales Sunday 26th
> 	June
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> I plan to be in S. Wales for a few days late June, and will be free on 
> Sunday 26th June.
> 
> My suggestion would be Carmarthen : its not well mapped and is 
> convenient for me, and reachable by public transport.
> 
> Any takers?
> 
> Jerry
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 20:53:31 +0100 (BST)
> From: "Richard Fairhurst" <richard at systemeD.net>
> To: "Ben Robbins" <ben_robbins_ at hotmail.com>
> Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org, talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Tracks and there place in society
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> Ben Robbins wrote:
> > Also, I have no idea how to take this to talk-gb, except by simply
> > replying there not here, and breaking up a string of responses.  I did
> > however justify why it's here, which your welcome to read.  I'm still
> > struggling some what with getting these replies in the right place, so
> > sorry about that.
> 
> I find nabble.com is really good for being able to follow threaded
> discussions on the OSM lists without having ten tons of messages dumped in
> your inbox every day. :) I've crossposted this to talk-gb so you can reply
> there.
> 
> > So to get back on track, and I think the answer is clear.  There is no way
> > to get a byway on a track to render as a byway on a track on either mapnik
> > or osmarender.  Is that correct?  And if so, does the current tagging
> > scehem simply require a render change to allow this
> 
> Yep.
> 
> The tag "highway=byway" has fallen out of use. It doesn't really make
> sense to anyone outside the UK.
> 
> Instead, in the UK, those of us who like tagging byways tend to add
> "designation=restricted_byway" or "designation=byway_open_to_all_traffic"
> (which are the two legal categories, and imply access) to a more physical
> tag - usually "highway=bridleway" or "highway=track".
> 
> So if you wanted a map that highlights byways, you'd just need to make
> sure that the stylesheet noticed those tags and chose the rendering
> occasionally. I _think_ Nick W's Freemap does this already. Personally I
> think it's fairly unlikely for either Mapnik or Osmarender, because
> they're worldwide stylesheets. But you can always ask!
> 
> cheers
> Richard
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> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 21:12:04 +0100
> From: Nick Whitelegg <Nick.Whitelegg at solent.ac.uk>
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> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Tracks and there place in society
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> >So if you wanted a map that highlights byways, you'd just need to make
> >sure that the stylesheet noticed those tags and chose the rendering
> >occasionally. I _think_ Nick W's Freemap does this already. Personally I
> >think it's fairly unlikely for either Mapnik or Osmarender, because
> >they're worldwide stylesheets. But you can always ask!
> 
> Yes, it does recognise designation=public_byway, restricted_byway, byway, byway_open_to_all_traffic, and will render them in red. However (Ben, in response to your earlier question) it doesn't re-render instantly. The tileserver has been very generously provided by, and is managed, Swansea University Computer Society,? and re-renders a tile (I believe) one day after it's requested.
> 
> So patience! ;-)
> 
> Nick
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