[Talk-GB] City names translation

[Pavlo Dudka]

Andy, I agree that Berlin doesn't need hundreds of name:**, but not because
they are similar. Just because 80% will never be used. name:** should be
entered by native speakers, not imported by Kolossos. Bury St Edmunds needs
[name:uk=Бері-Сент-Едмендс]. Just assume Ukrainian person reading ukrainian
article about Bury St Edmunds using Бері-Сент-Едмендс as city name. One
would like to find it in OSM, but Nominatim can not find it! It is not easy
to translate "Бері-Сент-Едмендс" back to "Bury St Edmunds" if you don't
english names of UK cities.
No, I don't want to add name:uk for cities or other objects that were never
mentioned it ukrainian texts. This is redundant.


2014-08-04 21:23 GMT+03:00 SomeoneElse <lists at mail.atownsend.org.uk>:

> On 04/08/2014 18:08, Philip Barnes wrote:
>
>> The big problem with transliteration to help pronunciation is where do
>> you stop, Berlin for example has 194 name tags for different languages, 84
>> of which just say Berlin.
>>
>
> Which gets straight to the nub of the problem. Berlin does _not_ need a
> name:en of "Berlin" because it does _not_ have an English name that's
> different to its actual name.
>
> Similarly, Bury St Edmunds(1) doesn't need a name:uk of Бері-Сент-Едмендс
> as whichever local mapper I checked with in #osm-gb(2) said that it doesn't
> have a distinct, verifiable, Ukrainian name (unlike for example Moscow (3)
> and London (4), which have several distinct names). "Бері-Сент-Едмендс" is
> a simple transliteration of the sound of the words "Bury St Edmunds" into
> Ukrainian (poorly, as it turns out, because the pronunciation of the second
> "u" is rendered as an "e" in the same way as the first (correctly) is).
>
> To duplicate every name in OSM in every language (or even every alphabet)
> is clearly ridiculous - and the "but it's only for cities" argument is also
> not a good one, since what is done for cities will next be done for towns,
> villages, village shops, everything.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> (1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/21409982/history
> (2) https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20757217
> (3) http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2555133
> (4) http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/65606
>
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