[Talk-GB] City names translation

[Dan S]

Hi -

In general I like interlinking - it reduces maintenance burden, for
example (imagine _manually_ making sure wikidata and osm both were
up-to-date with the same data! oof) - and I support the idea that
there's much data which doesn't "need" to be in OSM. However there's
rarely an objective way to decide which data store the data "needs" to
be in. OSM has already evolved a standard practice for
foreign-language placenames, within OSM, so I think it would be
strange to rule out Pavlo's suggestion purely on the basis that the
data "should" be somewhere else.

I think this discussion has been very helpful in clarifying, for
name:*, the "bad" approaches (unfounded transliteration, mindless
importing) versus the "good" approach (annotating foreign names
actually in use). I personally am happy with the approach clarified in
this latest email - manually annotating names that Ukranians actually
use for UK cities.

Pavlo, your original email used an overpass query to specify the
cities you planned to rename. That gave _me_ the impression you
intended to do something a bit less principled, but as long as you're
doing names-in-actual-use rather than names-for-all-cities that's
better!

Best
Dan


2014-08-05 12:00 GMT+01:00 Pavlo Dudka <pavlo.dudka at gmail.com>:
> I assert that it is "much better" to use a single service, because it is
> easier to add 100 osm-tags than implement communication with external data
> sources.
> Nominatim use osm-data, it should not(and I hope will never) use any other
> data from Wikidata or other projects.
> Mapnik allows to process .osm data without using any external data sources.
> There is also nice project "Multilingual Map" created as part of
> Multilingual maps wikipedia
> project(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_maps_wikipedia_project).
> Can any of this services be easily modified to use Wikidata? No.
>
> I don't ask anyone to waste his time to modify UK place-nodes. That's how I
> want to spend my own time. But I want to be sure that SomeoneElse_Revert or
> someone else will not revert my changes.
>
> OSM-community tries to avoid any imports. I would like to check all cities
> one by one. I will check its spelling in ukrainian spelling dictionary,
> wikipedia, web articles.
>
> Note, half of UK cities don't have any reference to Wikipedia.
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/?Q=node[%22is_in:country%22=%22United%20Kingdom%22][%22place%22=%22city%22][%22wikipedia%22!~%22.*%22];out%3B&R
> I can fill them too while adding name:uk=*.
>
>
> 2014-08-05 12:42 GMT+03:00 Andy Mabbett <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk>:
>>
>> > Not, it is not a job for external services. It is much better to use
>> > single
>> > service(OSM) rather than multiple(OSM+Wikidata).
>> > OpenStreetMap supports multiple names - let's use it. If you don't like
>> > someone use some tags - just ignore those tags.
>>
>> You assert that it is "much better"  to sue a dingle service, rather
>> than using linked open data as it is meant to be used; but you present
>> no argument for that assertion.
>>
>> It is ot a case of "not liking" some tags, but of not wanting to
>> squander vouneteer hours repeating work that has already been done -
>> effectively and better - elsewhere.
>>
>> Even were your assertion true, the data is, in many cases, already in
>> Wikidata and freely available for import.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andy Mabbett
>> @pigsonthewing
>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>
>
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