[Talk-GB] Discussion of Mechanical Edits

[Richard Symonds]

Andy, you make some excellent points.

It would be interesting to know how decisions can be made - it seems the
mailing list is no longer representative of editors, and neither is the
wiki....

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On 18 December 2014 at 17:25, Brian Prangle <bprangle at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hooray for Andy Allan - some commonsense!
>
> On 18 December 2014 at 13:36, Andy Allan <gravitystorm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 18 December 2014 at 11:30, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I personally feel the current discussion is now thrashing.
>>
>> I personally feel that the opposition to Matthijs' work is becoming
>> farcical. After setting up dozens of hoops for him to jump through,
>> which he has done, and then because he managed that creating more and
>> more, it's now in the position where people are proposing keeping
>> demonstrably incorrect data in the database for no coherent reason.
>> Moreover, despite all common sense showing that it never actually
>> happens, we're expecting other people to spend their free time on
>> meaningless, brainless drudge-work in order to fix simple typos by
>> hand, in some kind of "well this sainsbury's might not actually have
>> an apostrophe maybe it fell off the wall or something" nonsense. "Oh
>> boy, I'm sure glad that all these typos are there for me to fix by
>> hand! That's the /best/ use of my free time, it's /such/ fun."
>>
>> This mailing list appears to be having some sort of immune-response
>> over-reaction. We don't like mechanical edits in general. Fine.
>> Therefore every mechanical edit must be fought against, to the bitter
>> end. That's an over-reaction.
>>
>> > No-one seems to dispute that we do not have a consensus, Can we leave
>> it at
>> > that "we agree to disagree". It is usual in such cases to keep the
>> status
>> > quo ante.
>>
>> No, that can't work any more. If we're going to build a successful
>> community here in the UK then we need to cope with thousands of people
>> having their own opinion, not just "no consensus" among a few dozen
>> people on this list. Having every sensible plan derailed by
>> "noticeable opposition" is not a scalable policy either. This concept
>> of regional "opt-outs" is also badly thought through, since nobody is
>> "in charge" of a particular area (no matter how much they might strut
>> around on the lists) and encouraging people to self-appoint as having
>> area-based vetoes builds the opposite of the community that we're
>> trying to build.
>>
>> I'd like to encourage everyone to step back, and think of a better way
>> to organize ourselves. This isn't it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Andy
>>
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